Who else could go Sub-8 in a two mile?

Wtfunny wrote:

El G, possibly .... I've watched his 3000m race on the tube a few times

8:00 converts to around 7:24.8 (by the same conversion as 4:00 -> 3:42.2). By conversion alone El G is easily under (7:23.09)...

I really wish there were more elite 2 miles outdoors, it's a great distance. I think El G when in 3:43 shape could have done it (I imagine 3:59 mile pace would have felt like a jog to him). Otherwise I don't think anyone else could have done it. I think Mo is a great racer, but not too interested in time trials.

Rupp's 7:30.16 is worth 8:06 for 2 miles. A 7:59.99 is within the realm of possibility outdoors, but odds are very good it will never happen.

I believe El G's 3000m time of 7:23 is equivalent to a sub 8:00 deuce.

Hardloper wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:

El G, possibly .... I've watched his 3000m race on the tube a few times

8:00 converts to around 7:24.8 (by the same conversion as 4:00 -> 3:42.2). By conversion alone El G is easily under (7:23.09)...

There's conversion equations, and then there's actually doing it.

Hardloper wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:

El G, possibly .... I've watched his 3000m race on the tube a few times

8:00 converts to around 7:24.8 (by the same conversion as 4:00 -> 3:42.2). By conversion alone El G is easily under (7:23.09)...

Which means he'd have to run within a second and a half or so of his personal best over 3000m. Which is why I said 'maybe'. As the person above says, there's conversions, and there's doing it.

Alan Webb, baby.

Consider This wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

8:00 converts to around 7:24.8 (by the same conversion as 4:00 -> 3:42.2). By conversion alone El G is easily under (7:23.09)...

There's conversion equations, and then there's actually doing it.

The thread isn't about who actually did it. It's about who could have done it.

TAA wrote:

The thread isn't about who actually did it. It's about who could have done it.

True, and I still stand by my point that a conversion formula doesn't mean someone could have done it.

farah

uk record in the 1500.

10k olympic gold.

same year.

implies, a fantastic intermediate distance time.

rupp and and a couple of america's 352 milers can pace moe to 2400m. and mo can knock off a 56 last 400m after pace.

it is a no brainer if the weather is good and moe is moe.

longjack wrote:

farah

uk record in the 1500.

10k olympic gold.

same year.

implies, a fantastic intermediate distance time.

rupp and and a couple of america's 352 milers can pace moe to 2400m. and mo can knock off a 56 last 400m after pace.

it is a no brainer if the weather is good and moe is moe.

No way. Farah is now past his prime. He might have had a shot last year, but NEVER again will Farah be fit enough to run under 8 minutes for 2 miles.

Don't forget all these guys tried to take down Komen's 3k record and failed. If Geb, Bek and El g ran 7:59 then that would mean Komen could run 7:54.All these guys tried and failed. I hate Mo but he may be the only one who can break this record.

Wtfunny wrote:El G, possibly .... I've watched his 3000m race on the tube a few times .... I don't see him being 3-4 seconds faster than that with better pacing

this vid is only of the last 3 laps & tells just a fraction of the story

it doesn't show the 1st 4.5 laps where pace was fluctuating widely & hicham's frustration with wabbit

( it was a hugely anticipated race & i certainly thought he was going to break komen's wr beforehand )

trust me, after those 1st 4.5 laps it was a miracle he hung on so well to a 7'23 - i thought he was going to do well to get a 7'25

you have to have seen the whole race to have a "proper" assessment of that 3k - the last 3 laps tells very little

Consider This wrote:

TAA wrote:

The thread isn't about who actually did it. It's about who could have done it.

True, and I still stand by my point that a conversion formula doesn't mean someone could have done it.

Rme wrote:Don't forget all these guys tried to take down Komen's 3k record and failed

for the umpteenth time, apart from hicham's 1-off effort, neither geb nor kennster ever got pacing fast enough to give them a shot

you need 4'53/4'54 split & best they ever got was a 4'56

in fact, geb once ran a 7'25 off a 4'59.7 !!!

he wouda got something like 7'21/7'22 that day if he'd got a 4'54/4'55 split

ventolin^3 wrote:

Wtfunny wrote:El G, possibly .... I've watched his 3000m race on the tube a few times .... I don't see him being 3-4 seconds faster than that with better pacing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEjACBpYdTg

this vid is only of the last 3 laps & tells just a fraction of the story

it doesn't show the 1st 4.5 laps where pace was fluctuating widely & hicham's frustration with wabbit

( it was a hugely anticipated race & i certainly thought he was going to break komen's wr beforehand )

trust me, after those 1st 4.5 laps it was a miracle he hung on so well to a 7'23 - i thought he was going to do well to get a 7'25

you have to have seen the whole race to have a "proper" assessment of that 3k - the last 3 laps tells very little

There used to be a video of the whole race.

Watch El G on that last 2 laps. He's done.

His last lap was outside 60.

He was a great athlete, with a wealth of resource available to take a stab at any wr he wanted. If he thought this one was as straight forward as you seem to suggest it was, he'd have run it again. And again.

He was a phenomenal talent, and great runner. He may well have been able to break it. I don't know. And nor, of course, does anyone else.

Hardloper wrote:

Consider This wrote:

True, and I still stand by my point that a conversion formula doesn't mean someone could have done it.

That's the definition of "could have done it..."

or, more correctly, may have been able to do .. hence I said above, 'maybe'.

I don't think anyone's mentioned Isaac Songok. I'd think he'd have had a chance in a perfectly paced effort when he was at his best.

I meant to also mention Koech. He can't do it yet, but maybe before he's done. 12:48 at the age of 18?? I like his chances.