Not Rupp Certified: NOP not racing at Club Nats - Course Too Tough

Barakus Obama wrote:

rojo wrote:

Don't take it so personally. People across the globe rip our great country of the USA for the same reason (we have an awful lot) but secretly wish they could be a part of it. It's the same things in sports. Many fans rip the Yankees/NOP but if given the a part to be a part of it, they wouldn't turn it down.

Haha wtf. Do they rip the US because of Hollywood or their responsibility in hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Use your head Rojo.

LOL. I mean, you gotta wonder what world he lives in.

Buffalo Orange wrote:

This tempest in a teapot just shows you can't please everyone. When Ritz got hurt after running a workout indoors, this place lit up with people saying he should have known better. Now his team decides not to race an event that is just about as important as that workout was, and this place lights up again that NOP is a bunch of wusses. Someone is always going to complain, especially when Salazar is involved.

Yes. And sadly it is a disservice to the men and women in the clubs that Rojo and others should be giving publicity and coverage too.

Cross Country is frickin fun.

It would have been nice to have seen some of the clubs given some real proper coverage in the lead up to the meet.

A Duck wrote:

Yes. And sadly it is a disservice to the men and women in the clubs that Rojo and others should be giving publicity and coverage too.

Cross Country is frickin fun.

It would have been nice to have seen some of the clubs given some real proper coverage in the lead up to the meet.

I think there was plenty of coverage on the homepage. I feel like it was a way bigger deal than it normally is.

I might comment on this more later, but I don't know why everyone's giving Max so much shit for the course. I mean, it was a very hard, challenging, not fast course, but I don't think there was anything wrong with it.

Comparing it to a course like Van Cortlandt Park (and no one can argue that VCP is just awesome Cross Country) I don't think this course was any harder. The uphill here was easier than cemetery (IMO), the downhills no where near as dangerous as coming down the backside of cemetery, and overall I felt like it beat you up way less than the Back Hills at VCP.

Unlike VCP, there is NO FLAT so that does add an extra challenge to it, but my teammates (who are all legit runners) and I raced it today and had a ton of freaking fun. It was real XC. Not this grass track BS. Was it perfect? No, but I think given the location there weren't really any flat areas to be found anyway.

I was running right in the thick of it and only witnessed 2 falls and I would say that is below average for what I would normally see in an XC race with 500 people in it. Clearly there were more than those 2, but my point is they weren't so abundant that people were going down left and right. The course was hard, but in very good shape and well maintained. If the downhills were a mudslide it might have been a bit dangerous, but the ground was very firm and they did a great job clearing off all the snow.

polevaultpower wrote:

Needs help wrote:

Note USATF has not posted results at this point 4:32 pm PST.

Results will not be posted until they are official. There are ALWAYS mistakes with the chip timing and the powers that be are tired of websites copying the wrong results and never updating them with the correct results.

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Thats a crock of BS , far bigger events with far more complex finish lines get posted quicker. This is a case of just poor race management plain and simple. A national championship has to be held to a higher standard. BTW the way this is not a hand tabulated manual process.

A Duck just can't handle that it was ALWAYS OBVIOUS this would happen. Did anyone ACTUALLY think NOPe would show up?

NOPe is the anti-badass.

Rupp won't race regularly against elite internationals, so we shouldn't be surprised when they stomp him at WCs.

Hell, he won't even race domestic XC.

Hopefully this winter he finds a nice indoor meet where he can run a paced time-trial to some obscure AR against college guys. That seemed to be his crowning achievement for 2013.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

A Duck just can't handle that it was ALWAYS OBVIOUS this would happen. Did anyone ACTUALLY think NOPe would show up?

NOPe is the anti-badass.

Rupp won't race regularly against elite internationals, so we shouldn't be surprised when they stomp him at WCs.

Hell, he won't even race domestic XC.

Hopefully this winter he finds a nice indoor meet where he can run a paced time-trial to some obscure AR against college guys. That seemed to be his crowning achievement for 2013.

Indoor mile AR is obscure...?

Bend: hard/tough versus hazardous, separate the two please. If the previous poster saw two people go down and I saw two go down, either we were running around the same pace or a lot of people were falling on an unduly hazardous course.

Of Course They Pulled Out wrote:

Why would world class runners be concerned with a XC race in December? What was to gain for the NOP guys here? They are mere humanoids, they can't be expected to race year round with any sort of longevity.

Club Champs is fun like the Turkey Trot.

Steve Scott, John Walker, Rod Dixon, Steve Ovett all ran cross country. But these were guys that would let you pick the distance and then beat you.

Yes, obscure.

lakes of utah by another wrote: Indoor mile AR is obscure...?

A Duck wrote:

When I talk to people I meet in the stands, on the rail, or the ropes at XC meets and this website comes up, literally 100% of the time they say "I read the news there, but the message board is for (fill in derogatory word).

Dude, You have to be smarter than that. This place is like McDonalds. Nobody admits going there but they are always busy.

world infamous.... wrote:

A Duck wrote:

When I talk to people I meet in the stands, on the rail, or the ropes at XC meets and this website comes up, literally 100% of the time they say "I read the news there, but the message board is for (fill in derogatory word).

Dude, You have to be smarter than that. This place is like McDonalds. Nobody admits going there but they are always busy.

Yeah you would surprised how many of those top tier runners have posted on here. Even trolled on here...

So are all the runners accounted for? I worry so much for all those boys.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Rupp won't race regularly against elite internationals, so we shouldn't be surprised when they stomp him at WCs.

Rupp races more regularly against elite internationals than any other American-born distance runner.

And that is precisely why I would be confused if he showed up for club nationals, or the USA road circuit, or my local Resolution Run for that matter.

The course was tough, but not hazardous in my opinion. The only sketchy part was a slightly muddy downhill that had a sharp right turn at the bottom. This is where some guys fell, but I think it was the crowding that caused it more than the terrain. I almost tripped on my first lap because the race hadn't spread out much yet. I had my eye on the woman right in front of me who started to stumble, so I nearly crashed into her, but stepped to the side just in time. Luckily my foot landed on a solid spot and I didn't roll an ankle. Other than that the footing was much, much better than the races we did in Portland this fall with slushy mud, wet leaves, tree roots and holes in the ground. The majority was a grass golf course. What made it hard IMO were the constant uphills.

Needs help wrote:

I think we need to stick with facts and reality.

Max has zero background in putting together a x-country course. Yes there is a technique and understanding of utilizing terrain of how to best use it.

Going out a fettering out the steepest hills and downhill's shows his naïvety and immaturity in putting together a national caliber course.

USATF x-country committee reps should be scolded and possibly fired from their duties as not having reviewed and understood the course layout. It shows their inability to understand their respective duties to provide a quality course.

There is not a quality x-country course in the world with this type of silly adventure trail type of layout.

What are your credentials? Have you ever laid out a USATF championship course? Were you in Bend and did you actually run the course?

Was it tough? Hell yes. Altitude and some tough climbs. Dangerous? When compared to say Seattle in 2011 one could argue there was a much higher risk of injury, but run single-track trails in your local park and I would say they are as difficult and at the same risk level as small portions of the course yesterday, but overall it was not out of the norm challenging. 85% of the course was on the golf course itself. 15% at most was in the high desert scrub and that had been cleaned of most rocks, roots and overhanging branches.

There were two sides to the course. The painful uphill and the wonderful downhill.

It was challenging overall, but it was a lot of fun.

No snow on the course. Each rock was painted orange. The hard uphill was on nice fairway grass. Other than the "problem" turn at the bottom of the course, there were no treacherous sections.

Funny, when I talk to people I meet in the stands, on the rail, or the ropes at XC meets and this website comes up, they comment how sick they are of you, ADUCK, passing himself off as an expert on all NOP and UO topics.

When I talk to people I meet in the stands, on the rail, or the ropes at XC meets and this website comes up, literally 100% of the time they say "I read the news there, but the message board is for (fill in derogatory word).

100% of the time.

Nick Symmonds even called you out about this board to your face, on video. THAT is how elites and most fans think of you -- glad to have the news, but you are asshles for what you allow here.[/quote]

It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.

It's been fun, but there is just too much negative energy here and too many new a**holes who post bullshit and lots of great people who used to post all the time who have left or gone underground. I'm out. Life is too short. I'll be in kona. Hope to see some of you there. Paulo knows how to find me.

ADick wrote:

Funny, when I talk to people I meet in the stands, on the rail, or the ropes at XC meets and this website comes up, they comment how sick they are of you, ADUCK, passing himself off as an expert on all NOP and UO topics.

When I talk to people I meet in the stands, on the rail, or the ropes at XC meets and this website comes up, literally 100% of the time they say "I read the news there, but the message board is for (fill in derogatory word).

100% of the time.

Nick Symmonds even called you out about this board to your face, on video. THAT is how elites and most fans think of you -- glad to have the news, but you are asshles for what you allow here.

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