Dude is a massive beast, did the pikes peak marathon in 3:15 the everast marathon in 2:52, an ANOMALY at high altitude.
Anyhow, he has the highest EVER recorded of anyoen v02 max wise (in a runner, his v02 is actually even higher than lance armstrongs at his peak). Anyhow but he still never even broke 2:15 on a flat marathon.
Thoughts?
Is V02max over valued?
No thoughts, but he has the same last name as me which is pretty dope.
Poor running economy I would guess, combined with bogus VO2max results. The anti-Frank Shorter.
He squandered his oxygen intake.
His V02 Max test wasn't poorly done it was done at the olympic training center actually and he has had more than one which has held consistent.
Look up his wiki page there is a lot of good info on there.
not_brad wrote:
Poor running economy I would guess, combined with bogus VO2max results. The anti-Frank Shorter.
You might have something on the running economy. Just a great hill climber and altitude runner, but not "fast" like Shorter. Shorter ran what something like a 4:02 mile and 27:45 10K. Did Carpenter ever break 4:12 or 29:20?
Um, he has no real speed? Why do people not realize that an athlete has to have the perfect storm of genes to be absolutely perfect at running.
V02 is a huge part of the puzzle though.
Well at least he is fastest in the world at what he does.
Dude is 50 still raping all 20 something year olds in the hardest marathons in the world.
Thebest wrote:
Well at least he is fastest in the world at what he does.
Dude is 50 still raping all 20 something year olds in the hardest marathons in the world.
wow it would take a lot of time to rape 20 somethings during the course of a marathon. I hope he has some vaseline at least.
not_brad wrote:Poor running economy I would guess, combined with bogus VO2max results. The anti-Frank Shorter.Yep. It's all about economy. Craig Virgin was off the charts high VO2 as well, and Derek Clayton had a really low one. Of course Clayton and his "shuffle" was famously efficient.
V02Max is but one of many factors that, in combination, determine running performance. A high V02 max alone is not enough; elite performers are freakish because they do everything well.
VO2 max measurements are meaningless in predicting performance.
Having a world class VO2 doesn't make you a world class runner any more than being tall makes you an NBA player.
Vo2 and endurance performance are correlated, but there is still quite a variety of V02 max values amongst elite runners.
Anecdotally, altitude surely affects performance of many people. In my sport (XC skiing) I've witnessed a lot of variety in how different ahtletes handle altitude and sea level. Some people perform well in either venue (typically sea-level folks). Some people perform better at altitude (typically altitude dwellers). And some perform better at sea level (typically sea level dwellers).
Further, this Carpenter guy must have something that
get used to it. wrote:
VO2 max measurements are meaningless in predicting performance.
this times ONE BILLION
vo2max is just something physiologists could easily measure.
in 60 years when we can measure V03minimum everybody will say THAT is the true determining factor.
in life, one specific thing is never the answer to a question.
never.
The whole 'Lance Armstrong has the highest VO2 max' thing was all part of his 'never failed a drug test' smokescreen.
Nobody EVER said Lance had the highest number. If you care to dream about being a great runner, give it up if you're not blessed with over 70 on minimal training.
How about a lack of fast twitch muscle fibers? Everybody who runs a really fast marathon has 'em. Ryan hall was a miler.
Thebest wrote:
His V02 Max test wasn't poorly done it was done at the olympic training center actually and he has had more than one which has held consistent.
Look up his wiki page there is a lot of good info on there.
It was not poorly done, but the metabolic cart consistently read high. It got to be a problem and it was removed. I worked there although after Matt was tested. Found the met cart stashed and asked why it was not bring used. Was told why.
To elaborate, his marathon PR is actually 2:19:44.
http://www.skyrunner.com/bio.htm
1/26/92: Houston-Tenneco Marathon — 16th in 2:19:44, qualified for the Olympic Marathon Trials
VO2 max doesn't mean you're powerful or that you're fast.
he could have the strength of a 120 year-old woman but may have a high lung capacity..