Bekele is doing a 3 hour run every week

Moron Man wrote:

To think he can do it in the 10k and marathon is absurd.

Yeah, Geb and Tergat pulled it off but the marathoning game has drastically changed since then.

Yeah you're right, Kipchoge and Wanjiru will never succeed at running well at the marathon distance.

OverTheHillAndBackAgain wrote:

Moses Mosop looks like he did at most 100 minute runs in his lead up to Boston 2011. I imagine his recent training is always like this (assuming this is accurate) and that he never goes for 3 hours. He does on the other hand spend 2 hours running, 3-4 days per week on average. I think i saw one week with 6 days of over 120 minutes of running.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_zzkn1-wR0dVU5wX1hveWppeUE/edit

No, he ran longer.

"Before Boston (2011), Mosop did a 40K run in 2:07. That’s the first 25 miles of a 2:14 marathon, at altitude, in training shoes. This time, Mosop ran “only” 2:10 for his 40K. He also did a 45K run in 2:27 three weeks ago"

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fire the IOC wrote:

"Before Boston (2011), Mosop did a 40K run in 2:07. That’s the first 25 miles of a 2:14 marathon, at altitude, in training shoes. This time, Mosop ran “only” 2:10 for his 40K. He also did a 45K run in 2:27 three weeks ago"

1. Don't believe everything you read

2. EPO goes a long way, especially at altitude

RIP Sammy wrote:

You're misinformed. The elite Kenyans are running tempos 35-40k at or within 10% of altitude converted marathon pace (for Kipsang, Mutai, and Kimeto, that was also WR pace).

Yes

RIP Sammy wrote:

Wanjiru is quoted saying he did regular 30 mile runs.

Where?

RIP Sammy wrote:

The Kenyans also do a ridiculous amount of interval work in training for a marathon. Up to 25-30k worth of work.

At marathon pace yes. 25km - 30km is the norm. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

RIP Sammy wrote:

Meanwhile, Americans who go out and disappoint in every major marathon, think that 5x2 miles and 15 mile tempo runs are the way to go.

Not much difference between 15 miles at marathon pace and 25-30km at marathon pace broken up in intervals.

Or 5 x 2 miles at half-marathon pace. That is 10 miles of volume. Pretty standard. Something the kenyans do as well. See -

"Monday, Sept. 12: 10 1600-meter repeats in 4:34 or 4:35, except the last one in 4:29, with 1 minute and 20 seconds of rest between.

Wednesday, Sept. 14: 7 x 3K on the road in around 9:00 each. In between the 3Ks Mosop ran a kilometer at 5:20 mile pace."

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The thing they're not doing is the hard 40km runs at slightly slower than marathon pace.

fire the IOC wrote:

http://www.runnersworld.com/chicago-marathon/moses-mosop-looking-

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The thing they're not doing is the hard 40km runs at slightly slower than marathon pace.

Wrong. On March 18, 2011 Mosop supposedly ran 5:07 pace for 24.9m, which is 93.5% of his marathon pace at sea level.

Also notice on February 17, 2011 Mosop ran 5:57 for 24.9 miles.

It's an interesting progression. Two months out he did 40km at 76% of marathon pace and one month out he did 40km at 93% of marathon pace.

Back to my previous point, the 24.9 at 5:57 is the only continuous run significantly over 2hrs, which was in 2:28hrs. The other one run was in 2:06. The point stands that he doesn't do runs of 3 hrs in his training blocks.

Anyway Canavo would like say you are all arguing over things that don't matter. The entirety of Mosop's training is built around getting him to the point of being able to do that run on March 18th. I'm sure to get there he may have done some runs around 3hrs. He also had tons of days with over 2hrs of running. The whole purpose was to build him up so that his body can handle the marathon specific workouts.

Who cares if Bekelee is doing 3hr runs and other people didn't? He has a pretty short runway at this point and so he has to build his body up so that he can handle the workload. Also he's like 4 months out from any race and was probably 6 months out when the interview took place. This is essentially his base phase. It makes lots of sense to do over distance during the base phase.

Live not on eviL wrote:

According to the IAAF article about his marathon buildup: "Most significantly, [Bekele] reveals he has included a three-hour run each week in preparation for the Marathon." That's gotta be a run of ~30 miles, every week!

And when he sets a world record in the coming years, every Let's Run.com has been or never was who claims that the benefits of high mileage are a myth will say he is on PEDs.

no

not wrong

I was referring to american athletes not doing hard 40km runs, not kenyan athletes

and those 40km & 45km runs mosop did were not at sea level, they were at 8000+ feet elevation...

sub3over40 wrote:

Live not on eviL wrote:

According to the IAAF article about his marathon buildup: "Most significantly, [Bekele] reveals he has included a three-hour run each week in preparation for the Marathon." That's gotta be a run of ~30 miles, every week!

And when he sets a world record in the coming years, every Let's Run.com has been or never was who claims that the benefits of high mileage are a myth will say he is on PEDs.

Ehh it's not the high mileage that's notable; it's the fact that he's going so long in a single run every week. Mutai's schedule showed he did/does ~23 mi/day (albeit on 6 days a week).

I think pretty much everyone realizes the top African marathoners do high mileage, higher even than the top Americans/Europeans. But that does not necessarily mean Americans should do more mileage. In addition to being naturally faster, Africans have to worry about injuries significantly less than their American counterparts, for two reasons. The main one is that their body types, as well as faster, are less susceptible to injury, as skinnier calves and narrower hips make for less stress on the legs. Secondly, there is far more depth at the top in Africa so everybody is training super-hard and the ones that reach the very top tier are necessarily the ones who are best at avoiding injuries.

I do not disagree with anything you are saying. The Africans are busting 150 miles a week. When Americans are running 100 and get their clocks cleaned, everyone claims the African are on some undetectable mystery drug when for almost all of them, it is the fact that they are just training at a higher level.

Bekele is ready for the U.S. Trials

physiologist. wrote:

bekele is a stupid idiot. long slow distance makes long slow runner.

UNLESS HE IS DOING A 3 HOUR RACE, HE IS WASTING HIS TIME AND DESTROYING HIS KNEES BY RUNNING FOR 3 HOURS.

Sammy Wanjiru trained the same way. Guess you know better huh.

Live not on eviL wrote:

According to the IAAF article about his marathon buildup: "Most significantly, [Bekele] reveals he has included a three-hour run each week in preparation for the Marathon." That's gotta be a run of ~30 miles, every week!

I got it.

Your name is a palindrome.

Rio will be fun. Bekele and Kipchoge again.

Yuki Kawauchi races a marathon every weekend, almost. When he doesn't he spends 6-8 hours jogging slowly about the countryside.

'Thon White Duke wrote:

Bekele is ready for the U.S. Trials

Wouldn't that be something if a top Kenyan or Ethiopian moved to the US and became a citizen (I think it takes 7 years though). A guy who could run 2:08-2:09 wouldn't even get appearance fees as an East African would suddenly be a favorite to make the olympics.