Victoria Runner wrote:
It's crazy that you can't read all the research that has been done. IT is the same thing - other than the wind resistance.
It shouldn't even require research... it should be a simple thought experiment that high school physics students can do.
reikker wrote:
Hardloper wrote:Yes I did. The difference is lack of wind resistance, which accounts for the 10 seconds/mile or whatever those charts say.
Yeah right. Wind resistance is a biiiig factor when you run easy runs.
Listen moron, you have absolutely no real life experience. Why are you so douchy when you're nothing but a slow jogger? Does sitting behind your pc and reading about running make you feel fast or something?
Reikker, do a little research regarding the physics of treadmill running and outdoor running. All scientific studies have shown it to be almost the same..other than the lack of wind when you are staying in one place.
Think about it..when you are running outdoors, the ground is moving like a treadmill relative to your body. The only difference on a treadmill is that by moving the tread, you are remaining stationary relative to the ground.
unbelievably ridiculous wrote:
Why do you idiots keep posting the most idiotic chart ever produced in the history of running?
If you really want an accurate chart of the paces at different inclines use this one.
http://42.195km.net/e/treadsim/Why don't you numbnuts go do a workout on a treadmill using that hillrunner chart and see if it is even remotely accurate. I'm sure all you letsrunners can cruise along pretty easily at 5 minute pace. Hillrunner says you can put the speed at 6:19 pace (9.5 mph) and put the incline at 10% and that will be just like running at 5:01 pace.
My guess is you won't last one mile!!
I think you need to take a vacation.
I'll tell all of you another point you are really missing out on with treadmills. Pat Porter would travel about 20 miles outside of Alamosa to run a 12 mile hill/mountain run every week to 10 days. I would guess the incline was in the 5-6% range. How many of you have a 6 mile long hill at 6% you can run?
All you have to do is jump on a treadmill. I guarantee it will help your training. Just make sure you cut your intended pace by 1:30-1:50/mile.
If you aren't using the incline on your runs, you are really missing out on a great opportunity. A big advantage is that your legs get a rest from the pounding even though you can be maximizing your effort.
I ran a 16 mile race a couple years ago that had rolling hills the first 12.5 miles and then a mile long hill at 12% incline. How would you ever prepare for something like that?
I got the elevation profile of the course and figured out the elevations of the climbs. I made a chart of how long I had to run at that incline and then figured out how far a recovery I needed at level. I figured the pace of the recovery so my average mile pace was equal to the goal I thought I could run the race in. I compared previous years results with what some of them ran on flat races.
I caught the leader right after the mile long hill and finished 5 seconds under my goal time even though I had never been there before.
someone had to do it wrote:
unbelievably ridiculous wrote:Why do you idiots keep posting the most idiotic chart ever produced in the history of running?
If you really want an accurate chart of the paces at different inclines use this one.
http://42.195km.net/e/treadsim/Why don't you numbnuts go do a workout on a treadmill using that hillrunner chart and see if it is even remotely accurate. I'm sure all you letsrunners can cruise along pretty easily at 5 minute pace. Hillrunner says you can put the speed at 6:19 pace (9.5 mph) and put the incline at 10% and that will be just like running at 5:01 pace.
My guess is you won't last one mile!!
I think you need to take a vacation.
So you finally realized how ridiculous that hillrunner chart is?
Or did you try my suggestion and last about 2 minutes?
According to my chart, 9.5 mph at 10% incline is around a 4:20 mile.
U......R........ wrote:
So you finally realized how ridiculous that hillrunner chart is?
Or did you try my suggestion and last about 2 minutes?
According to my chart, 9.5 mph at 10% incline is around a 4:20 mile.
Nope
Just pointing out you seem to need a vacation
someone had to do it wrote:
Nope
Scared to try 9.5 mph at 10% incline?
That's what I figured about most so-called runners here.
And what if you allow the belt to "help" your feet backwards?. . . You would move backwards and fall of the treadmill. You have to push forward AGAINST that "backward help" so you stay on the treadmill.
reikker wrote:
DNF wrote:You remove wind resistance and the belt "helps" you somewhat.
Correct. The belt helps moving your feet backwards.
It's crazy that people believe treadmill running is the same as outside running.
What a bunch of internet-joggers you morons are.
I say that ANY half decent runner can immediately feel the difference between running on a treadmill and outside.
When you switch from the treadmill to outside running you bounce more and you feel taller. When you get back onto the treadmill, you feel the belt pushing your feet backwards.
Now shut up with your moronic arguments and try to acquire some knowledge from a closer to 13:xx than to 14:xx 5k runner.
J.R. wrote:
Running on Empathy wrote:as far as I know, no one has yet invented a treadmill that allows you to practice downhill running.
Not so!
Just lift up the back with blocks or 2x4's, and you have a downhill treadmill.
There is certainly a question of benefit in interrupting your workout to get off the treadmill, then putting the rear of a treadmill on blocks, and then getting back on the treadmill and restarting your workout on the downhill incline.
The treadmill workout is designed to start out flat and slow, and then adding speed and/or incline UNINTERRUPTED as you progress into your run. In order for your method to work in an uninterrupted run you'd need a few friends to do the lifting to put blocks under the rear, and they'd have to do it in a way that simulates a gradual approach to a downhill segment of a run.
Treadmill running is usually done as a solo effort. Your solution, although admirable in it's blue-collar simplicity, lacks in practical application per the fluidity of the workout.
Now get out there and design/manufacture a treadmill that includes on-the-fly downhill simulation. You'll be a millionaire!
J.R. wrote:
Running on Empathy wrote:as far as I know, no one has yet invented a treadmill that allows you to practice downhill running.
Not so!
Just lift up the back with blocks or 2x4's, and you have a downhill treadmill.
There is certainly a question of benefit in interrupting your workout to get off the treadmill, then putting the rear of a treadmill on blocks, and then getting back on the treadmill and restarting your workout on the downhill incline.
The treadmill workout is designed to start out flat and slow, and then adding speed and/or incline UNINTERRUPTED as you progress into your run. In order for your method to work in an uninterrupted run you'd need a few friends to do the lifting to put blocks under the rear, and they'd have to do it in a way that simulates a gradual approach to a downhill segment of a run.
Treadmill running is usually done as a solo effort. Your solution, although admirable in it's blue-collar simplicity, lacks in practical application per the fluidity of the workout.
Now get out there and design/manufacture a treadmill that includes on-the-fly downhill simulation. You'll be a millionaire!
Running on Empathy wrote:
There is certainly a question of benefit in interrupting your workout to get off the treadmill, then putting the rear of a treadmill on blocks, and then getting back on the treadmill and restarting your workout on the downhill incline.
Or, you could set the treadmill that way before starting.
reikker wrote:
Now shut up with your moronic arguments and try to acquire some knowledge from a closer to 13:xx than to 14:xx 5k runner.
How can you be "closer to 13:xx than 14:xx"? You either ARE one or you AREN'T, or you're a 12:xx guy.
Of course, that's exactly the type of number confusion I would expect from someone who can't understand, and won't even try to explain simple physics.
Thanks for that other calculator. It looks right up my alley. Hillrunner is to hard and jack Daniels. Is to easy at my speed. I don't understand all of the physics but I know that entering my weight is relevant.