How much can a SPRINTER improve by using PEDs? Any scientific studies?

I have a feeling the protocol officer would shoot down any attempt to create a double blind study to shoot up athletes with drugs. But we do have some athletes with before/after numbers, at least for BALCO. If you look at Kelli White and Tim Montgomery, you get an advantage of about 2%.

Apply that 2% to Bolt and he becomes "human".

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I could be wrong, but I think charlie francis said 2meters, not 5

Drugs don't improve sprinting as much as they improve distance running. Reason for this is because you can make your body produce HGH and Testosterone naturally by lifting heavy weights.

Running long distances diminish HGH and testosterone and therefore these "athletes" are forced to look for illegal help.

It depends on the person and the drug. Ben Johnson was the kind of person who had a lot to gain from drugs, while some people don't improve as much.

Victor Conte said that it was about 0.2 sec for men, and 0.4 for women

Xfit_guy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

Drugs don't improve sprinting as much as they improve distance running. Reason for this is because you can make your body produce HGH and Testosterone naturally by lifting heavy weights.

Running long distances diminish HGH and testosterone and therefore these "athletes" are forced to look for illegal help.

Riiiiiiiight

Well Tim Montgomery has openly stated that his best without drugs is 9.92. So take that for what you will, as anecdotal evidence....

"I had the ability to run 9.92. I needed the ability to break Maurice Greene, Ben Johnson's record. And to get that ability you've gotta be enhancing. At the time, it was worth the risk. To secure a real contract, to secure Gatorade, secure the fame that you want to secure, 9.92 wouldn't do it."

why would bolt retire when

looks at what the lightness lr3

is doing for the likes of chambers and collins ......

easily keep sprinters nervous system tip top

so that keep going close to 10 well into 40's

which is previously unheard of .

you tell me there isnt something up in sprints

just have to look at added consistantly close

to p.b times ran and added speed endurance to notice something

has changed . eh lr3 anyone

lol just look at where guys were before they 'blew up.'

Bolt was 10.0/19.8 and now he is 9.5/19.1 and the 200 is probably weak since it was his 8th race in a week.

Derrick Atkins not long ago 10.2 to 9.8.

Ben Johnson 10.2 for a medal in LA (while juicing) to 9.7 4 years later.

Maurice 10.1 to 9.8 overnight.

SAFP 11.3 to 10.7 in 9mo.

Actually, Maurice Greene went from 10.08 to 9.86 in one year. He never had the kind of (ahem) "progression" that Bolt or Fraser-Pryce had.

Drugs do NOT make major improvements for sprinters. You are not going to go from 11.0 to 10.0, and I doubt you'll find anyone really going from 11.0 to sub-10.5. It's just that the way track prize/appearance fees are structured, going from 9.92-10.0 to 9.78 (or 19.8 to 19.19) is a VERY big deal in terms of what a world class sprinter makes.

Kelli White and Tim Montgomery are people who were only good enough to get close to the big money without drugs. Montgomery simply wasn't strong enough to stay close to Mo and Ato in acceleration, so he cheated.

Montgomery lacked the size and/or quickness in the acceleration phase. He was a 200m guy.

That said Montgomery was really no different, he just didn't have 'it' which is what other more powerful sprinters 'had'.

Its a masculine/muscular power some dudes just don't got and others do. Nothing to be ashamed of, if you aint enough you aint enough. Run a longer distance.

taller sprinters mean more muscle and more power if dope.

but usually taller people have more health problems. Certain tall people could have a rough time after they retire if they were dope.

coach d wrote:

Actually, Maurice Greene went from 10.08 to 9.86 in one year. He never had the kind of (ahem) "progression" that Bolt or Fraser-Pryce had.

Drugs do NOT make major improvements for sprinters. You are not going to go from 11.0 to 10.0, and I doubt you'll find anyone really going from 11.0 to sub-10.5. It's just that the way track prize/appearance fees are structured, going from 9.92-10.0 to 9.78 (or 19.8 to 19.19) is a VERY big deal in terms of what a world class sprinter makes.

Kelli White and Tim Montgomery are people who were only good enough to get close to the big money without drugs. Montgomery simply wasn't strong enough to stay close to Mo and Ato in acceleration, so he cheated.

Who says Mo wasn't juicing before he got to HSI? You're talking about a guy that never broke 11FAT in high school. Look up the stats. He never broke 11 at the state meet. Fact.

You are delusional. TMont is one of the most talented athletes to have ever competed in sprinting. The man broke 10 his 2nd year in the sport, but the track was centimeters short. Laziness and poor coaching made is such that he never fulfilled his potential, even on dope with TG.

Mo is probably the least talented champion ever. The man was on loads of drugs.

Also hilarious you're trying to nitpick 10.08 (when I said 10.1) and 9.7 (ran 9.79 two years after being with HSI).

I am a big time D1 coach with insider information, I do not need to nitpick. Happy wanking in your mama's basement.

Greene in High School

While in high school at Kansas City Schlagle, Greene was a seven-time individual champion at the State Outdoor Track and Field Championships. He won the 100 and 200 three times each, and added the 400 meters his senior year in 1993. He was clocked in 10.2 seconds at 100 meters in high school.

http://www.kshof.org/inductees/2-kansas-sports-hall-of-fame/inductees/134-greene-maurice.html

The IAAF has an official result of 10.43 for Maurice Greene for 1993, his final year of high school I believe.

The IAAF lists Tim Montgomery officially running sub-10 (9.92) in his 4th year of results (it could be more than 4 years of training, but it is at least 4 years of training).

I'm not sure if you are some obsessed distance running idiot who doesn't have a clue about sprinting or whether you are a drug apologists for the Jamaican program presently under threat by WADA by being banned from the Olympics because they have not been doing (almost) any drug tests on their athletes out of competition.

I'm going to report your post and make some comments here as to why you should be banned. Maurice Greene is a member of the USATF Hall of Fame and an Ambassador for the IAAF....and you are some piece of trash posting on a message board. Tim Montgomery is a banned drug cheat, a convicted felon, and a heroin drug addict. Those two people are not equivalent.

It is one thing to express an opinion (backed up or not) that John Smith, Steve Francis, Alberto Salazar, or somebody is running a drug cheating program. It is something entirely different to make willful misstatements of fact to slander someone. Maurice Greene most definitely did run sub-11 in high school and the IAAF has the official records. This is why you should be banned.

And remember you wanker, I am big time!