FRUITARIAN DIET WILL TRANSFORM YOUR RUNNING!!! According to an excellent runner. Must read.

voice of reason wrote:

his HIGH SCHOOL PR in the 2-mile was 9:44 (on the evil "Standard American Diet," no less).

That extrapolates (with proper training, of course) to a 2:35 marathon.

A 9:44 2 mile should be more like a 2:24 marathon.

I know a lot of guys who never bettered 10 mins for 2 miles who broke 2:30 for a marathon.

Letsrunners: should I post my opinion about a fruitarian diet?

Virginia Runner wrote:

"I've had a few blood tests since going 811rv. I almost expected that my b12 or iron level would be too low, and/or my fatty acid profile would not be optimal. Yet my tests have all been excellent, and I have no issues with any of my blood test results. My blood is "optimal" in all areas."

the 811rv is 80% carbs, 10% fat, 10% protein

http://foodnsport.com/blog/articles/801010-Allstar-Michael-Arnstein.php

myth debunked, only people who don't eat a varied (there are lots of fruits) diet or eat a lot of processed food need supplements

What myth is debunked? Who says he is telling the truth at all about what his supplementation is like or if the blood test is entirely fraudulent? You simply cannot get enough of those essential nutrients on such a diet. It is impossible without heavy supplementation.

10% protein is a joke. No wonder the guy looks like shit.

I'm curious to hear what you think, xfit guy.

LOL just gotta laugh at this post. I have been eating a high fruit, not fruitarian, high carb low fat low protein low sodium vegan diet now for 3 years and i am in the best shape of my life. Plenty of blood tests have been taken before my switch and during, and my blood tests have been perfect, besides somewhat low B-12, 472pg/mL, which is normal range for America but low for Japan of 550h/mL

Resting heart rate has dropped to upper 30s resting, blood pressure is 99% SPOT on with 120/79, and I recover so quickly its unbelievable. When I was cycling this summer, 4 hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon was nothing at all for me, and it wasnt like there was no climbing

Trust me, you get all of your nutrients as long as you eat enough. that includes greens which many skimp on and then say "OH this diet doesnt work"...no shit, you werent getting your minerals. 1-2 heads of greens for me per day, 4000 calories, 4+ quarts of water per day, and 10 hours of sleep per day. I have never felt so energetic and healthy

Looks pretty damn healthy to me, but we all see differently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAQJCsrXVKU

I have some reservations about the term "fruitarianism." Essentially what he seems to be doing is Low Fat Raw Veganism. He is taking in vegetables, which is a logical thing to do, obviously--if a person were consuming fruits without adequate vegetables, that would not be a good idea. There are a few thinkers, like the one dude who wrote that 80/10/10 diet book, who stress that eating a large amount of fruit is a pretty natural consequence of Low Fat Raw Veganism, especially for athletes, as your carbohydrates calories will have to come from somewhere, and typically greens and sprouts don't supply that much carbohydrate energy.

If his fruitarianism is a matter of a large degree of departure from LFRW towards a more extreme proportion of fruit, then I would say for any curious athletes on this board to give Low Fat Raw Veganism a serious, committed try first (1.5-3 months of 100% all-in commitment) before taking up fruitarianism, because, while I cannot say there is or is not literature supporting or against fruitarianism, there is tons and tons of research since the early 1970s supporting the tenets of LFRW across the board for human health.

Most Americans aren't healthy, which is the entire principal you and this guy are using, so I fail to see your point. You also have left out discussing any supplementation, your performance, your physical size, and anything else.

A low resting heart rate and normal blood pressure can be obtained with most reasonable diets and fitness plans. I don't see what is special about this. There is no way you cycled 7 hours a day on just fruits. You would be burning far too many calories and not getting close to enough protein. I can only imagine how emaciated and shitty you looked, if this isn't simply an outright lie like most fruitarians.

Trust you what? You don't. Give me the sample diet where you are getting adequate quality protein (sufficient EAA and BCAAs since your protein quality is so low), where you are getting your omega-3 fatty acids, where you are getting your iron, etc.

Worst troll post ever. Kill yourself f@ggot.

lulz wrote:

Trust you what? You don't. Give me the sample diet where you are getting adequate quality protein (sufficient EAA and BCAAs since your protein quality is so low), where you are getting your omega-3 fatty acids, where you are getting your iron, etc.

Worst troll post ever. Kill yourself f@ggot.

Lulz, you are incredibly disrespectful. I am about to ask the moderators to ban your IP. Your concern about Omega-3 fatty acids is legitimate, but I'm guessing you are not as educated on nutrition essentials as you think. Do you know the distinction between Omega-3 subtype ALA and further subtypes DHA and EPA, and why some nutritionists think this is important? Probably not. And you probably have no clue about any nutritional studies or research literature, because you seem to have this notion most blockhead Americans and too many morons on this board have about "protein." Oh, you gotta get adequate protein. Oh yeah? How much, buster, and what kinds? And what literature supports these notions of yours? In another thread, I posted a bunch of studies that support the notion that consuming too much animal protein is bad for human health across the board. While Iron is not universally provided in a vegetable diet, there are some RAW (which is an important distinction) greens which do a good job in providing it. Really, the only nutrients diligent Raw vegans have problems in acquiring are Vitamin B12 and DHA and EPA.

You don't seem to have any scientific expertise or research to back up any of your claims, so shut your trap and stop being so arrogant and disrespectful.

lulz wrote:

What myth is debunked? Who says he is telling the truth at all about what his supplementation is like or if the blood test is entirely fraudulent? You simply cannot get enough of those essential nutrients on such a diet. It is impossible without heavy supplementation.

10% protein is a joke. No wonder the guy looks like shit.

The more I look, the more this poster "lulz" is leaving a garbage trail of posts.

While I wouldn't say we should completely trust one testimonial 100%, there is validity to the notion that supplementation is unnecessary. There are many scientists and nutritionists out there who believe supplementation, in general, is not a good idea at all. There are a few exceptions, but generally supplementation should take a back seat to acquiring said nutrients through the diet. For one, there have been HUGE, multi-million-million dollar nutritional studies where, basically, the Standard American Diet has been maintained, but many different nutrients, nutrient by nutrient, has been tweaked. Unsurprisingly, these studies found that decreasing fat, increasing different nutrients (through supplementation), etc., doesn't do squat, when the participants keep eating the same garbage they always do (animal products, and not enough vegetables, etc.). There are studies that have found Omega-3 fatty acid supplementation (from fish sources) to both be ineffective and in some cases HARMFUL compared to other subjects who were acquiring it from ACTUAL fish. While the possibility of foul play by the supplement companies is certainly a factor, one must entertain the concept that you cannot simply extract and isolate nutrients from their subject foods. Nutritional science and human biochemistry is much more complex than this.

You're "10% protein is a joke" notion is a joke in itself. Why do you think 10% is a joke? Do you have any scientific evidence supporting your ideas about what is the optimal amount of protein intake? I do. I have a substantial amount of studies I can cite that indicate 10% to even as low as 5% are optimal amounts of protein intake, whereas 15% and higher see increasing , uncontrovertible and consistent negative affects on health.

lulz wrote:

lol kill yourself dude. if you look anything like the guy in the video, you look like a b1tch like most of the ultra folks, possibly worse.

Funny how you cannot form a legitimate counter response. Without any support for your empty arguments, you can only resort to insults.

I ran in the 2012 Javelina Jundred with Micheal Arnstein, Hal Koerner, Dave James, and Mike Morton. Hal has won Western States x 2, along with a number of other 100's, including Javelina. Dave James was the 2009 Javelina winner. Mike Morton won the world 24 hour championships last year, breaking the American record with 172.5 miles. In the world of ultras, that's a great foursome.

Hal ran the first 100k in about 8 hours, and then he blew up. To his credit, he got back on the course and finished 2nd.

Dave and Mike dropped early- perhaps worn out from trying to keep up with Hal. Mike was probably still recovering from his great 24 run in Poland.

Michael Arnstein took over the lead when Hal stepped off the course and won the race.

Less than two months later, Arnstein ran 100 miles in 12:57 at Desert Solstice.

Arnstein is for real, and I believe he's getting better and better. Whether or not you want to ascribe that to being fruitarian is up to you.

Kipketer_Pumpkin_Eater wrote:

lulz wrote:

lol kill yourself dude. if you look anything like the guy in the video, you look like a b1tch like most of the ultra folks, possibly worse.

Funny how you cannot form a legitimate counter response. Without any support for your empty arguments, you can only resort to insults.

It is pointless to bother rebutting when you can't even post an example of a diet where a person can meet the minimum for EFA and quality protein (defined by EAA and BCAA content) intake on such a diet, not to mention numerous nutrients that must be supplemented.

lulz wrote:

It is pointless to bother rebutting when you can't even post an example of a diet where a person can meet the minimum for EFA and quality protein (defined by EAA and BCAA content) intake on such a diet, not to mention numerous nutrients that must be supplemented.

It's not that hard to find vegetables and non animal products that supply all of your protein needs and nutrients. Have you heard of Google?

lulz wrote:

It is pointless to bother rebutting when you can't even post an example of a diet where a person can meet the minimum for EFA and quality protein (defined by EAA and BCAA content) intake on such a diet, not to mention numerous nutrients that must be supplemented.

This contains nutritional information about almost every conceivable food possible. Since you are such a disrespectful troll, I am not going to waste my time going through every damn nutrient to provide a non-animal example which contains a high amount of said nutrient. As I said before, the only real issue for people who abstain from animal products is for Vitamin B12 and EPA and DHA. EPA and DHA /=/ (does not equal) essential fatty acids. Lulz, if your criteria for Essential Fatty Acids is so basic and unrigorous as it probably is (as you don't seem to have advanced nutritional knowledge), then you will be more than satisfied with a non-animalian diet. There are many nuts and seeds which are high in Omega 6 and Omega 3.

Here is an excerpt from a Nutrition Guide I am writing (this part taken from a relatively exhaustive discussion of EFAs)

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Favorable ratio, more omega 3 than omega 6:

Fish and Seafood sources:

>salmon fresh frozen cooked and tuna canned in water: good

>cod fresh frozen: good

>mackerel canned drained: good

>swordfish, fresh frozen cooked: good

>crab, soft shelled, cooked: good

>bluefish, fresh frozen and cooked: good

>salmon, canned, drained: too lopsided in favor of omega 3

>scallops, maine fresh frozen cooked: good

Vegan seed sources:

>flax (need to grind): good

>pumpkin seeds: low omega 3, high omega 6, ratio

>sesame seeds: ditto

Absolute amounts of omega 3 and omega 6:

Fish sources:

>mackerel: decent for omega 3

>salmon: decent for omega 3

>sardines: decent for omega 3, good for omega 6

>swordfish: decent for omega 3

>bluefish: decent for omega 3

Vegan seed and nut sources:

>sesame seeds: good for omega 6

>pumpkin seeds: good for omega 6

>pistachios, pecans, and walnuts: good for omega 6

>flax: decent for omega 3

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I'm not even going to answer your stupid protein questions. All the necessary amino acids can be obtained through eating plants, PERIOD. You need to, in the long run, eat a reasonable variety of plant foods to cover your bases, but any idiot knows that.

If you think otherwise, you are making a very radical claim and the burden is on you to provide some support.

What I meant to say is, DHA and EPA is a sub-class of Omega 3. DHA and EPA is more complex than simply an overly simplistic, reductionist notion of "getting enough Omega 3 and Omega 6." The major controversy for vegans/vegetarians is that ALA, which is the predominant form of the essential subtype of Omega 3 fatty acids, is in fact inadequate for human nutrition. It seemed scientists used to believe that DHA could be synthesized from ALA, but in fact, this does not occur efficiently and adequately enough. DHA or some similar compound is an end or near end form compound that is structurally significant throughout the body. Thus, since DHA (along with EPA) is found naturally occurring in certain species of Fish, there is then the rationale that occasional eating of some species and subspecies (within a particular species--you'd be surprised of the nutritional differences between, say, Blue Fin tuna and other Tuna, the others which do not have adequate B12, for instance) is justified.

lol you still cannot list a single diet that covers these minimum requirements.

post or kill yourself.

also, DHA/EPA aren't covered by anything in your posts.

Fish is not fvcking fruitarian, so I have absolutely no idea why you are even discussing it.

Protein is a topic you don't want to address because it cannot be covered in a fruitarian diet.

lulz wrote:

lol you still cannot list a single diet that covers these minimum requirements.

post or kill yourself.

also, DHA/EPA aren't covered by anything in your posts.

Fish is not fvcking fruitarian, so I have absolutely no idea why you are even discussing it.

Protein is a topic you don't want to address because it cannot be covered in a fruitarian diet.

Now, here is a post of yours indicating that not only you are a troll but that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and/or reasoning skills.

Let me give you a hint:

ANY diet that contains flax and walnuts will meet your EFA requirements (by your own dumb definition).

If you read my posts, I said from the get-go, DHA and EPA is a problem for people who don't eat fish. So I don't know what you are trying to say--you are picking an argument where none existed, and still not even making sense.

You want to know why my claim about protein is correct? There are many people around the world who, for socioeconomic reasons, consume very little, if any, meat. They cover their bases of the essential amino acids through complementary plant-based foods. If this were not the case, we would see massive levels of protein-deficiency and death in the developing world. Some protein-deficiency does occur, to be certain, but it is not a significant portion of the population of the developing world--it is unexpectedly low, to be honest.

I am not covering the topic because it is not controversial. I am not going to list every essential amino acid and show you how it can be covered by plant based foods. Any idiot can use Google.

Thus far, I have provided a lot of evidence and points to support my claims. All your posts, meanwhile, are full of insults and retorts devoid of any substantial, quantitative or qualitative support.

lulz wrote:

lol you still cannot list a single diet that covers these minimum requirements.

post or kill yourself.

also, DHA/EPA aren't covered by anything in your posts.

Fish is not fvcking fruitarian, so I have absolutely no idea why you are even discussing it.

Protein is a topic you don't want to address because it cannot be covered in a fruitarian diet.

Anyway, genius, here's a diet that covers your protein needs:

Rice and Beans.

Tah-dah!

Pretty incredible, huh?

I know, it's definitely rocket science.

But it's a terribly obscure diet, right? Nobody around the world eats those foods together. *sarcasm* Get out of the house much, lulz?

Lol