Officials cost Wilson at least one spot in the 800

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Kipketer_Pumpkin_Eater wrote:

I can't find the specific video that I watched earlier upon which I based my comments, but it featured a bird's eye (high angle angled, not 100% birdseye) darn clear view. Typical side footage of the race's final straight obscures the reality. When I watched that footage, I replayed it a couple of times. It was very clear in my mind.

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agip wrote:

I just watched the finish a few more times - the more I watch it the less I think the Russian mis-acted.

The first 'swing' was really just a weak brushback - fine for track and field. then it looks like the russian lost her balance as she swerved away from the montano train wreck and didn't actually land an elbow on ajee.

so the first was an appropriate elbow and the second appeared to be a loss of balance, not a punch, and I don't think it landed anyway.

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The first time I watched the race at full speed, I was surprised Montano even got 4th with the five steadily gaining on her.
But she effectively blocked two, drifting and falling wide while one got by on the inside.
But it wasn't intentional and I don't think people will really try that in the future.

Too many crazy things going on with all them just digging in to beat each other to the line.
No DQ was the best call.
It's almost always the best call unless something is blatant.

This is what a DQ looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKM1h6MF-g

Passing on the inside of the rail while shoving someone to the ground and then stepping back on the track and going on for the win.
Rodriguez didn't even really celebrate the win. She knew she was going to get DQed.

The Russian Bear's most obvious windup is seen in the video at 2:36 (overhead view) as well as 3:02 (ground-level view).

And here's the Kemboi DQ from Pre.
Go about 9 min in and watch replays from there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZMmxHkFj3k

Kemboi lost anyway but the DQ had to be called.
And it cost him money.

But if you foul as a result of being impeded, do you also get DQed?

Personally I find this to be pretty standard 800m running. If you want clear running, you better make sure your at the front.

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I Hate Instant Replay wrote:

Okay...just watched it again. This time I only focused on Wilson. (The first time I was watching the Russian.) When I watched just looking at Wilson it did look way worse.

The Russian definitely moves aggressively into Wilson and into Wilson's lane. It's more than the "bump" I called it earlier. (I'll defer to the coaches, officials, and track vets as to whether that alone would merit a DQ).

I can't tell if the last elbow swing from the Russian causes Wilson to veer further wide or if that movement was from the previous contact. I know you are very sure on this point, but I cannot tell from the video on my screen.

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The video from the side is not as revealing as from the frontal video, directly beyond the finish line. Poistogova moved into Wilson's space, not necessarily to impede Wilson, but it had that effect. A DQ does not require INTENT to impede.

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OK. I didn't look at the overhead view before.
I now see the need for a DQ.
She zigged in. Zagged out. And took a couple of whacks and a lean.
Wilson was moved a lane in a half in the last few strides by the Russian Bear.

Agreed on this. Montano drifted to her left and cost herself a bronze.

This caused the bumping behind her even though I think the slashing elbow was unnecessary.

Montano must have been in major rig...

She had the first lane. All she needed to do was to stay there and Martinez would not have gotten through.

It really only shows on the this video, which gives three different angles on the finish. It's hard to find because it uses Savinova's name in the title.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wgofu8VkCA

Title is: Savinova Women's 800M Final | 2013 MOSCOW CHAMPIONSHIPS | LIVE 8-18-13

At 5:27 and 5:53 you can see Ajee getting whacked, knocked sideways in her lane. It's also clear that Montano is really not the problem. She was in Lane 2 and clear of the Russian. This event happened in Lane 3 as the Russian veered over to cut off Ajee, using really forceful swings of her elbow. Certainly not incidental contact.

Martinez wasn't going to be the competition for the bronze. Without that dive out to slow down the russian and wilson, one of them would have passed her.

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Balian wrote:

Agreed on this. Montano drifted to her left and cost herself a bronze.

This caused the bumping behind her even though I think the slashing elbow was unnecessary.

Montano must have been in major rig...

She had the first lane. All she needed to do was to stay there and Martinez would not have gotten through.

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Clear view wrote:

Poistogova was coming in behind her compatriot and was in a bad position. That doesn't give her the right to shove someone out of the way in the next lane in order to create an opening. Clear foul in front of the finish line officials, but they were probably reluctant to disqualify a Russian in that venue.

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Oh but you wouldn't disqualify Montano?

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Why would we protest to elevate someone from 6th to 5th. That's just stupid.

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Can someone please post a video of the Russian Bear, I can't seem to find it.

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Clear view wrote:

They gave a pass to the local (Russian) runner who blatantly fouled Ajee Wilson 10 meters from the finish line.

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251036-IAAF-World-Championships-Moscow-2013-Interviews-Races/video/719926-Martinez-gets-bronze-Sum-upsests-Savinova-in-800m-Championship

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The term foul is not used in T&F:

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/rules-regulations

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Yes, I should have used the word assaulted:)

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Clear view wrote:

In posting this video I never could have imagined so many different opinions. In reviewing it again, I think both Montano and the Russian should have been disqualified for veering from their lane to intentionally impede the progress of others. That would have given Wilson no worse than 4th place, which she might have gotten anyway if not pushed off balance at a key moment. I'm an Ajee Wilson fan after watching this again. Great race by the teenager.

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Running out of your lane is done all the time up the homestretch. Take a look at the 3000m St and the women's 1500m. That is accepted and it is why it is becoming a good tactic to stay on the rail in the homestretch if you are in 2nd to 5th coming around the corner. The elbow that the Russian gave Wilson is another story. That is almost never tolerated.

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This. the dq is all about the elbow and not at all about the coming over to give it. Lane drift from inside to out during the final sprint should be prohibited, as it is in track cycling, but they allow it all of the time in running track. So, the question of the foul is all about the elbow, which is clearly a dq-worthy shot if ever there was one.

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If they won't disqualify people then the aggressive behavior by some competitors will undoubtedly continue.

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The term foul is not used in T&F:

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/rules-regulations[/quote]

I too could not find a rule or regulation concerning 'fouls.'

On the other hand, I did find this:

IAAF Competition Rule 163.4 states that any competing athlete who jostles or obstructs another athlete, so as to impede his progress, shall be liable to disqualification from that
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IAAF Competition Rule 163.4 states that any competing athlete who jostles or obstructs another athlete, so as to impede his progress, shall be liable to disqualification from that event.
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Wilson was clearly "jostled" intentionally by the Russian openly in front of everyone watching the finish. Maybe the finish area judges were all Russian.