Average Amer-i-can wrote:
Gamera wrote:Who said he was busted for a "supplement drink"?
That's the unofficial line coming from several sources.
No, it's not. This is the claim Asafa Powell has been making. The only unofficial lines regarding Tyson Gay have been DHEA and testosterone.
Nobody is going to run 9.69 then start doping
I'll make sure I'm always over the drink drive limit in future. See how that works up in court
Letsrun rules:
Fast time = doper
Failed test = innocent
He's on the dope.
body master wrote:
I think all Tyson's times need to be vacated just as they were in his collegiate career. He's a CHEATER and his ways finally caught up to him in his professional career.
The American record needs to belong to JUSTIN GATLIN at 9.79 from 2012 London.
aahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha. Oh, that's a good one-from one drug cheat to another..Hahhaha
is large deltoid and trapezius a sure sign
or can these be got clean
ialwayswonder wrote:
is large deltoid and trapezius a sure sign
http://imalbum.aufeminin.com/album/D20120716/868753_I8LG5HP2QIE2ZAL38ZJ3W7GXO3LIE2_9-yohan-blake_H123333_L.jpgor can these be got clean
Yes, they have these things called weights that you can lift...
But somebody would take drugs to run 9.69.
Bolt is great wrote:
Only run person in history has run under 20 in the 200 as a junior. Was Bolt dirty when he was 17?
I forgot. EPO doesn't work on Kenyans and all PEDs don't work until you turn 21...
He tested positive for DHEA. It was a anti-aging doctor he was seeing.
Whaaat? wrote:
ialwayswonder wrote:is large deltoid and trapezius a sure sign
http://imalbum.aufeminin.com/album/D20120716/868753_I8LG5HP2QIE2ZAL38ZJ3W7GXO3LIE2_9-yohan-blake_H123333_L.jpgor can these be got clean
Yes, they have these things called weights that you can lift...
Sure, but how many guys not taking steroids can get traps like that? It is possible, but, I know a lot of drug free body builders and they can tell you how hard that is to achieve without drugs.
Bolt is great wrote:
Only run person in history has run under 20 in the 200 as a junior. Was Bolt dirty when he was 17?
Nobody said that 20 flat is the limit for "clean times" in 200m.
Probably 19.6 is the limit.
And Bolt's PB in 200m -prior to 2008- was 19.75 (not much better than his 19.93 (4 years before)
If you remember, Bolt lost a lot of races against people like Gay, Gatlin, X-men, Spearmon...etc. And he was pretty much injured at the time.
ialwayswonder wrote:
is large deltoid and trapezius a sure sign
http://imalbum.aufeminin.com/album/D20120716/868753_I8LG5HP2QIE2ZAL38ZJ3W7GXO3LIE2_9-yohan-blake_H123333_L.jpgor can these be got clean
Great picture and yes you can get those clean.
Workout hard, workout often, eat big.
But I know, you SCRAWNY runners don't believe in that. I'm sorry you can't dream BIG.
killarney wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about how Bolt can't be clean because he'd be .2+ better then the next clean guy etc etc... But isn't it entirely possible that either he was clean when he ran that time in 2009, or that whatever minor stimulant he used didn't help him anyways? Same with Blake, we know he tested positive in the past, but was he clean during the Olymipcs?
All of the evidence points to Gay's doping being during his comeback from injury in 2011/12. Part of his pea bargain was based on a full disclosure and USADA/WADA being able to verify what/when and how he doped with the caveat being the plea would be taken off of the table if he lied about anything. Chances are, his achievements prior to 2012 were not doped. Up until 2007 he was in the now defunct "Test Me I'm Clean" program which conducted a higher standard of testing and saving the results. Drummond started working with Gay's leading up to the 2007 WC to improve his start and it worked, but the doping appears to coincide with when Drummond completely took over his training. Also, it is doubtful the dope helped Gay at all because he ran slower in 2012/13 than he did 5 years earlier.
Was Gay's 9.69? clean?
Gay always had tremendous top-end speed, but was a poor starter (gun reaction) and only an average drive phase. As far back as '07 when Gay ran 9.85 in the WC 100m, if Gay had been even with the rest of the field at the 40m mark, that time would have been around 9.75. Prior to 2007, athletes like Powell would have a full stride on Gay at 40m in a 100m dash. Gay didn't even become a consistent sub-10 sprinter until 2007. Early in his career, Gay was like Bolt, the thinking was he would be a 200/400 specialist because of his inability to master the first 25m of the 100.
Bonnie Rotten wrote:
He tested positive for DHEA.
This is pure speculation.
It was never ever published what Tyson Gay tested positive for.
TrackCoach wrote:
All of the evidence points to Gay's doping being during his comeback from injury in 2011/12. Part of his pea bargain was based on a full disclosure and USADA/WADA being able to verify what/when and how he doped with the caveat being the plea would be taken off of the table if he lied about anything. Chances are, his achievements prior to 2012 were not doped. Up until 2007 he was in the now defunct "Test Me I'm Clean" program which conducted a higher standard of testing and saving the results. Drummond started working with Gay's leading up to the 2007 WC to improve his start and it worked, but the doping appears to coincide with when Drummond completely took over his training. Also, it is doubtful the dope helped Gay at all because he ran slower in 2012/13 than he did 5 years earlier.
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Wasn't gay injured (or at least not full-recovered from a groin surgery) when he ran 9.69?
And Again, the "project believe program" conducted by USADA was a fraud.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7384365.stm"...It's a volunteer programme in which you are required to do more blood and urine tests - twice a week for a month and then another phase..."
So, they were testing athletes twice a week but only for a month? which month? only in competitive phases?
Ben L Wrong wrote:
Bolt is great wrote:Only run person in history has run under 20 in the 200 as a junior. Was Bolt dirty when he was 17?
Nobody said that 20 flat is the limit for "clean times" in 200m.
Probably 19.6 is the limit.
And Bolt's PB in 200m -prior to 2008- was 19.75 (not much better than his 19.93 (4 years before)
If you remember, Bolt lost a lot of races against people like Gay, Gatlin, X-men, Spearmon...etc. And he was pretty much injured at the time.
You missed the point. Bolt has been running records his entire life. Simply running fast times doesn't imply drug use.
Bolt is great wrote:
You missed the point. Bolt has been running records his entire life. Simply running fast times doesn't imply drug use.
Running fast times doesn't imply drug use.
But tunning WORLD RECORDS, very, very much faster than other doped athletes like Ben Johnson, Gatlin, Gay, Montgomery, Powell, etc...?
Ben L Wrong wrote:
Bolt is great wrote:You missed the point. Bolt has been running records his entire life. Simply running fast times doesn't imply drug use.
Running fast times doesn't imply drug use.
But tunning WORLD RECORDS, very, very much faster than other doped athletes like Ben Johnson, Gatlin, Gay, Montgomery, Powell, etc...?
...doesn't imply drug use.
I doubt that 9.90 has ever been legitimately broken. I would agree that the clean record is probably Calvin Smith at 9.93.
Of course he wasn't clean but that doesn't mean nobody in the world can run under 10 clean.
Don't make stupid claims like this without giving any clean athletes a chance to try too.
It's hard to imagine a clean athlete in the 100 today- and these guys, and gals, are some of the very few people in the world who try (full time)to get fast.
They all use the same druggy coaches. We need a clean athlete to dust all these juicers in the 100, and we will have one soon.
