We all know that Farah's 3:28.81 was exceptional, and one of the best performances of the meet. But the rest of the Oregon Project wasn't quite as stellar. Rupp 13:05, Centro, 3:33, and Moser 4:07. The times aren't horrible, but definitely not as good as their expected performaces at this point in the season.
I agree with you. Although, you have to keep in mind about the nature of this meet. Monaco is so close to WC that AlSal doesn't want to compromise the finishing speed training in a field where AR are meant to be broken. If it wasn't so close, and it wasn't a WC year, time may have been faster.
I'll come back and look at this meet after WCs. Maybe it won't mean anything, maybe it will be very telling. No way to know
Honestly, Rupp has looked a little flat the entire outdoor season, especially when compared to how great he looked in March. Still think he'll run a good 10000 in Moscow.
Farah is clearly a favorite to double after today.
Centro is only a contender off a slow place-- will be interesting to see if the Kenyans work together to insure a fast pace and burn off the kickers (Leo, Centro, et. al.).
Ritz will run well, but won't contend.
Hasay will get a taste of the big leagues.
Moser and Cain are total wild cards at this point, but I wouldn't expect either to be in the medal hunt unless the pace is REALLY slow in the final.
Well...maybe...just once wrote:
I agree with you. Although, you have to keep in mind about the nature of this meet. Monaco is so close to WC that AlSal doesn't want to compromise the finishing speed training in a field where AR are meant to be broken. If it wasn't so close, and it wasn't a WC year, time may have been faster.
So why did Farah run 3:28?
Sal is sabotaging Mo.
Still time for elfie rupp and matt to adjust the dosages.
Rupp has looked flat all outdoor season. Centro hasn't improved as one might have expected, but I trust Salazar will have him ready in Moscow. Moser did not look good today, but I think she has been training hard in St.Moritz and she'll be ready in Moscow. Cain can succeed in a slow race in Moscow, but her worst enemy will be Simpson, who I think will help push the pace toward close to 4, which Cain won't be ready for. Ritz will surprise in Moscow if the pace is sub 13:35 and do something special.
not a tard wrote:
Honestly, Rupp has looked a little flat the entire outdoor season, especially when compared to how great he looked in March. Still think he'll run a good 10000 in Moscow.
Farah is clearly a favorite to double after today.
Centro is only a contender off a slow place-- will be interesting to see if the Kenyans work together to insure a fast pace and burn off the kickers (Leo, Centro, et. al.).
Ritz will run well, but won't contend.
Hasay will get a taste of the big leagues.
Moser and Cain are total wild cards at this point, but I wouldn't expect either to be in the medal hunt unless the pace is REALLY slow in the final.
That all sounds about right, Montesquieu.
Centrowitz was on the slow end of the range I would have expected for him at this point--3:32-3:33. Centrowitz's 3:31 pr is fast, but it's easy to forget it's a 3:31.high pr, and one recorded *after* that year's major championship race, which is a factor that I do think makes a difference with Salazar's crew. The fact that Moser was no where near the rest of the competition makes me think that Salazar is having his 1500 runners do some training right now that's just not that conducive to popping a PR level race right now.
I really have to echo what people are saying about Rupp. "Flat" is unquestionably the word that comes to mind: Pre, USA's, now Monaco. I don't intend this to be any kind of bashing or anything along those lines, since Pre and Monaco resulted in respectable times, and props to him for trying to chip away at the gap over the last 2k today. But I'm yet to see a "wow" race or even kick from Rupp like we saw during indoors (that 7.30 3k especially). From the outside looking in, something seems to be up.
Totally guessing here, as Farah seemed to certainly prove the opposite, but the popping up and down from altitude...seems to effect some runners more than others...some need a few more days to get their sea level legs.
It's a long season, and we're gonna see what we're gonna see.
Pleased that it was an excellent meet for team USA over all.
altitude adjustment probably goes better for Farah, who trains quite a bit at altitude in Kenya. Rupp was in at a pace well faster than they should have been running. Nevertheless, Soi and Rop were able to still run 14 seconds faster than him, so Rupp's clearly not in his indoor shape yet. We'll see if he's there by world's or maybe after if he has it this summer at all.
A Duck wrote:
we're gonna see what we're gonna see.
Nice tautology.
Good old A Duck, always there to spew out a meaningless statement.
Bumping this after London DL. More mixed results for the group.
Good:
-Rupp (3:52.11)
-Farah (7:36- won comfortably)
-Hasay (8:46- 5th, but an 11 sec PR)
So-so:
-Ritz (7:44- pushed well, didn't have it the last lap)
-Cain (4:09.77- 5th, Poor tactics, but finished well)
Bad:
-Moser (DNF 3000)
-Centro (3:58.75)
-Levins (8:00)
Two weeks out from Worlds--there's no way they rested for this meet. For Ritz and Cain it was a first race since being in Europe and a first race since Nationals. Ritz looked like he had the same heavy legs as when he ran a 3000 in his first race of the year. As Graeme McDowell pointed out in another thread, for Rupp, it's only a bit more than a second above his indoor mile, which was run in perfect conditions. Farah is an animal. Hasay looks so fresh--I hope she can run 31:20 or lower in Moscow, which would provide a promissory note for a big future. Moser, Centro, and Levins all looked very bad--hard to explain.
NOP Follower wrote:
Bumping this after London DL. More mixed results for the group.
Good:
-Rupp (3:52.11)
-Farah (7:36- won comfortably)
-Hasay (8:46- 5th, but an 11 sec PR)
So-so:
-Ritz (7:44- pushed well, didn't have it the last lap)
-Cain (4:09.77- 5th, Poor tactics, but finished well)
Bad:
-Moser (DNF 3000)
-Centro (3:58.75)
-Levins (8:00)
Montesquieu wrote:
Two weeks out from Worlds--there's no way they rested for this meet. For Ritz and Cain it was a first race since being in Europe and a first race since Nationals. Ritz looked like he had the same heavy legs as when he ran a 3000 in his first race of the year. As Graeme McDowell pointed out in another thread, for Rupp, it's only a bit more than a second above his indoor mile, which was run in perfect conditions. Farah is an animal. Hasay looks so fresh--I hope she can run 31:20 or lower in Moscow, which would provide a promissory note for a big future. Moser, Centro, and Levins all looked very bad--hard to explain.
I know Salazar does a 4 week taper, so I'm assuming the group is in the middle of tapering right now. If that's the case, they should be somewhat rested, which is worrisome for Centro, Levins, and Moser. More so Levins thought, since he hasn't looked good all season.
They rested a bit for Pre at the beginning of June, then tapered for Nationals, which for Ritz was June 20. That was followed by a month of hard training, which takes us to last week. Ritz has just started to come down with this race, but he'll still have a couple of more hard workouts. http://www.athleticos.org/coverage/250955-2013-Sainsburys-Anniversary-Games/video/718479-Jordan-Hassay-3000m-Sainsburys-Anniversary-Games
NOP Follower wrote:
Montesquieu wrote:Two weeks out from Worlds--there's no way they rested for this meet. For Ritz and Cain it was a first race since being in Europe and a first race since Nationals. Ritz looked like he had the same heavy legs as when he ran a 3000 in his first race of the year. As Graeme McDowell pointed out in another thread, for Rupp, it's only a bit more than a second above his indoor mile, which was run in perfect conditions. Farah is an animal. Hasay looks so fresh--I hope she can run 31:20 or lower in Moscow, which would provide a promissory note for a big future. Moser, Centro, and Levins all looked very bad--hard to explain.
I know Salazar does a 4 week taper, so I'm assuming the group is in the middle of tapering right now. If that's the case, they should be somewhat rested, which is worrisome for Centro, Levins, and Moser. More so Levins thought, since he hasn't looked good all season.
Why is Farah outperforming the rest of NOP by such a large margin?
He's been on a different training cycle than the other guys, more speed stuff, more time in Europe, more time at sea-level.
Arthur Winthrop wrote:
Why is Farah outperforming the rest of NOP by such a large margin?
Montesquieu wrote:
He's been on a different training cycle than the other guys, more speed stuff, more time in Europe, more time at sea-level.
Arthur Winthrop wrote:Why is Farah outperforming the rest of NOP by such a large margin?
Can you elaborate why is his schedule is so different? I know Farah didn't have the distraction of USA Nationals but the gap between him & the rest ofthe squad looks wider than ever. Farah's season seems to have been planned completely different to Rupp with him doing half marathons while Rupp was doing a stellar indoor season early on. Surely they shared the same season goal of the world champs so why such a divergence in training strategy?
Rupp--"We're only just starting to rest now."--8 seconds in