Interesting that he has talked about never wanting to go to the well during a workout. He is definitely more of a racer, because this workout seems like he would be very much in control. Contradictory to the workouts Rupp has reported where he is absolutely ripping hard sessions.
Rupp can rip workouts because he has world class recovery resources
It is interesting that a guy of his caliber who can probably beat just about anybody in the US except Rupp right now isn't cranking out super impressive sessions. This is a nice workout for sure, but not a killer for him. I'd be interested to see the more overall picture of his training. Maybe he gets moving pretty well on his easy days. Or maybe every single workout of his is like this: a B+/A- grade workout as opposed to somebody trying to crush sessions and going A+/C- for a few consecutive workouts.
jeezy wrote:
Contradictory to the workouts Rupp has reported where he is absolutely ripping hard sessions.
Have I missed something, I have never heard this before. Only that his easy days are 5:40 pace, other than that his actual workout reps I've heard are reasonable. Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.
Kennedy was a much faster runner than true.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
jeezy wrote:Contradictory to the workouts Rupp has reported where he is absolutely ripping hard sessions.
Have I missed something, I have never heard this before. Only that his easy days are 5:40 pace, other than that his actual workout reps I've heard are reasonable. Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.
I was not comparing True to Kennedy, I was referencing Kennedy in relation to Rupp.
Rupp is also 45s better than True on a good day.
26:30 - 27:15
26:40 - 27:25
both sound reasonable to me.
backwarned wrote:
Kennedy was a much faster runner than true.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:Have I missed something, I have never heard this before. Only that his easy days are 5:40 pace, other than that his actual workout reps I've heard are reasonable. Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.
Not so sure Kennedy was a much faster runner than True. Perhaps in the past but True closing the gap quickly. Kennedy at 12:58. I can see True running close to 13:00 flat in the right race now.
Based off what?
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.
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alphabeta wrote:
Based off what?
Didn't he run 13:15 earlier this year? I believe that was indoors but maybe mistaken. The guy keeps improving it seems.
Time to get off True's nuts. Dude has zero chance to make it to Worlds.
How come no one ever quotes the rest period? 6 x 1mi with 200m jog in under 60s rest is way different than 6 x 1mi with 5 min standing rest.
Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.[/quote]
Yes, Bob Kennedy was notorious for running at almost 150 mph in training and was so spent from his hard sessions he struggled with his races, only running managing a 12:58 5k pr.
True ran 13:14 leading the race and outkicking Jager earlier in the outdoor season. More recently he ran 13:16 in a race won in 13:10.
At Pre, Derrick, Ritz, and Rupp ran 13:08-9 in a race won in 13:04.
Rupp and Ritz have a lot of experience making teams. Derrick also has a lot of big race experience from all of his NCAA championships.
Speedwise, Rupp can obviously close the fastest. After that it's probably True, Derrick, Ritz in that order.
If True can stay in contention until the bell, he has a great shot to kick to make the team. Ritz will do everything he can to drop him before that though. Should be very interesting.
Can you source this? I knew a guy who trained with Kennedy and while the workouts were impressive I sure as heck never heard 4xmile sub 4. I'm guessing this was when he was with Kim - but still. That's close to unbelievable unless he did one per hour.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Have I missed something, I have never heard this before. Only that his easy days are 5:40 pace, other than that his actual workout reps I've heard are reasonable. Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.
Razor Black wrote:
Have I missed something, I have never heard this before. Only that his easy days are 5:40 pace, other than that his actual workout reps I've heard are reasonable. Not like a Bob Kennedy who would run 4x16000 in 3:59.
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I didn't hear of him running even 1/10th of the distance at that speed.
My feeling is that True is within 10 to 20s of Rupp at the 10k, and could beat him on a good day, especially with the pace being fast enough.
asdfasdf wrote:
Speedwise, Rupp can obviously close the fastest. After that it's probably True, Derrick, Ritz in that order.
If True can stay in contention until the bell, he has a great shot to kick to make the team. Ritz will do everything he can to drop him before that though. Should be very interesting.
Personally, I don't see any of those 3 beating Lomong or Lagat
I know Lagat's age has been starting to show in the past few years and Lomong can be inconsistent at times, but if I had to put my money on the table I don't see either of those two being beaten, especially in a kickers race by.
I'll keep the blatant trolling about neglecting to mention Lagat or Lomong b/c they're black somewhat in check, but if ya'll are going to discuss who realistically has the best shot at the remaining two spots besides Rupp, then, at least, include ALL the runners that have the same shot or better. Not just the whities
I believe the man you're responding to was talking about the 1k at trials.
MS Paint wrote:
asdfasdf wrote:Speedwise, Rupp can obviously close the fastest. After that it's probably True, Derrick, Ritz in that order.
If True can stay in contention until the bell, he has a great shot to kick to make the team. Ritz will do everything he can to drop him before that though. Should be very interesting.
Personally, I don't see any of those 3 beating Lomong or Lagat
I know Lagat's age has been starting to show in the past few years and Lomong can be inconsistent at times, but if I had to put my money on the table I don't see either of those two being beaten, especially in a kickers race by.
I'll keep the blatant trolling about neglecting to mention Lagat or Lomong b/c they're black somewhat in check, but if ya'll are going to discuss who realistically has the best shot at the remaining two spots besides Rupp, then, at least, include ALL the runners that have the same shot or better. Not just the whities