Gatlin goes down! Could a white man win the 100m at Moscow 2013?!?!?

Emil C wrote:

Oh please.

1) I'm not white.

2) I also believe Gay and Collins may be clean.

Anyone who thinks Bolt, Blake, and the rest of the Jamaicans aren't doping is only fooling themselves.

And Gatlin is a chode.

Did you not say this? "The sad part is that this French dude and the Japanese kid are probably the two fastest CLEAN sprinters on the planet right now".

Caught in your own web of lies

"Race" is a social construct, don't you know? So your query is nonsensical to start.

Enlightened One wrote:

"Race" is a social construct, don't you know? So your query is nonsensical to start.

There is no Dana, only Zuul.

[quote]Sprintgeezer wrote:

Your empty racist crap got old a long time ago. How does Vicaut fit into your picture? Collins? Martina? Bailey? Dasaolu? etc.? Since none of them come from Jamaica or America?

The quote was this:

"The sad part is that this French dude and the Japanese kid are probably the two fastest CLEAN sprinters on the planet right now."

Which prompts me to ask you, WTF are you talking about?

Plus I am curious how my noting the racist posting of others makes me the racist.

I know I have nailed you several times before on your racist tendencies and that you are quite defensive, but that is no excuse for such a nonsensical posting

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I vote you and your racist crap get banned again.

I would vote for you to be banned if I was a whiny Nancyboy to0.

But I'm not. I can take you ineffectual attacks without flailing back in anger

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I vote you and your racist crap get banned again.

I maybe would vote for you to be banned too. If I was a whiny baby. But I'm not and am not threatened by your ineffectual ignorant posts

You're right, we're not the same, some of us achieve, and some sit in their overstuffed chairs eating fried chicken and criticizing those that do. :-)

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Hey "Cliff Klaven", aka Gallagher, aka New Uncle B, how long do you think it takes for you to get banned this time?

Your empty racist crap got old a long time ago. How does Vicaut fit into your picture? Collins? Martina? Bailey? Dasaolu? etc.? Since none of them come from Jamaica or America?

The answer is, they don't. Why not? Because your picture is drawn with feces.

I vote you and your racist crap get banned again.

OK let's clear the decks of this racist crap. Can a white sprinter win at 100 over black sprinters? Of course.

Here's Armin Hary running a WR 10.0 in 1960 in Zurich (and I defy you to watch this the first time without saying, "He cheated"...the quickest starter that ever lived, and the Usain Bolt of his generation. If Hary had been sprinting in 1932, you probably never would have heard of Jesse Owens):

In the 1960 Olympics the Americans had 3 black sprinters, and they tried every trick in the book to try to beat Hary. He still killed 'em:

This is Valeriy Borzov in Munich:

And if you think Borzov did it clean, you get the horse laugh.

Borzov's style has always interested me. He leans forward from the hips? And his trunk is so still. It looks like he is going really slow and slowing down at the end, then it appears his turnover speeds up after the line as he slows down. Very fluid and he musy have had great flexibility in a straight line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKP9xM-dVEY

(end of this relay vid)

Mechanics interest me - I've always been weak and god knows how I ran 24.0 with no upper body muscle strength to speak of. I lifted a 10kg box yesterday and got taught how to use my back and arm muscle power rather than a bent spine and get pain in the back neck part of the spine. But running always seemed natural with a focus on turnover, and at my relative peak I did have a natural bulk in my ass/hip flexors (now gone with inactivity).

I'm interested in how much stronger Lemaitre, Collins etc. those thin sprinters are. Does 130 lbs at 1.75m (5'9.5) scale up to 160 at 6ft 2?

I always thought if I could do 24.0 with no upper body strength then elite times were not out of this world. Which is proven that statistically up to say 20.0/19.9/19.8 looks pretty achievable naturally. And then the debate is on even faster times where we encounter diminishing returns gradually.

It's for this reason than I think there is credibility in the genetic outlier. Jamaica has always been a melting pot for fitness due to it's tough past. Seeing how easy it is to go from say 29.0 to 24.0 by only actually running the event a few times, while developing as a teenager, I can see Bolt having the WR at all ages (despite underachieving in his partying period/transition to adulthood and the coordination rejig that entails of 2005-2007), as he stands out physically above all his peers. I can imagine that his muscle bulk is natural too - it always looked the same and even I have beaten musclier/taller competitors, in the way Collins may have done, but when they have your only advantage - turnover, combined with such a long stride, I can see how he is pretty much unbeatable. But even Bolt is not perfect, and he has scoliosis (bent spine), which he said gave him tightness in the back and stopped him going for 100/200 WRs in London. So his peak may have passed now, but I believe 9.55/19.09 was definitely possible for Bolt with a top wind and best combined performance. Gay interests me too as he seems to have more of a middle man/combined style/physically-wise to me.

I think Bolt will win in 9.75~, Gay second in 9.82~, Gatlin third in 9.87~ (but I hope someone else gets third), Blake may get to the final, Lemaitre too, along with the others who are in form this year, Powell may miss out with injury still or perform poor at the latter stages after a promising comeback round.

One thing I have wondered, and theorised since my own competing days, is whether a slight tendency to perform better in one-off events and recover slightly slower than 'someone who may be doping', and increased consistency in performance, as when always performing to your best, and with a similar field, I always hit the same marks hand-timed. Powell's record of sub-tens indicates this, compared to his lack of clutch Golds, after rounds, and also many Golds in single-event finals. Others with similar effects seem to be Arron, etc. But I don't know if this is just because of relying on tendons for speed and not muscles, i.e. body type limitations. I was always one of these and not a muscle bulk power runner. Does anyone know if muscles can re-carb better between meals in more muscly runners? It could make sense if that system has been primed better for this due to having more bulk and hence use day-to-day.

I do believe Lemaitre has a medal chance in the 200, along with Gay if he can be healthy enough to compete well here. Elsewhere, others do have a great chance this year as is mentioned, with Blake seemingly out of it. Bolt more sure here of Gold than in the 200.

Hary's start is amazing and I did think he false started! But he simply looks like a very reactive person, which there are about and one was another guy in my school who was better than me in LJ, TJ, 100 and 200. This guy was more of a Bolt build, tall, very strong and powerful and springy too, with that longer stride and also good turnover. So I know what it's like to be Bolted when being a mere Collins :D, though myself I have won school races at 100, 400, and 800 even. But this guy had the monopoly on the 2 and jumps!

Hary - 10.25 WR 1960. Best in the world until Hayes 10.06 WR 1964! Imagine both of these guys facing off! On a synthetic track too! Hayes sub 10, say 9.95, Hary 10.10-15?

At this point Tyson Gay is in better form than Usain Bolt. Usain still has time to get in better shape. Right now until I see some kind of major improvement I gotta go with Tyson for the win. Also what is the status of Yohan Blake? We haven't seen anything from the guy since opening with a solid 400.

We actually are all the same. Race is a false construction

Yeah, looking at his record, I gotta really respect Tyson Gay - ultra consistent, improved after college/uni at 23 and without unlucky 2008/2012 injuries before Olympics, which seemed to come from a bad 2008 US trials, he would have many Olympic medals and deservedly so.

Bearing this in mind, and that he has a few years left before gradual decline, I think Gay is dead-on for 9.83, with his 9.86 evidence of this. Gay is now the benchmark, if fit, and it is up to others to beat him on finals day.

Was Bolt in his best condition? Was he at full effort? Without knowing these two things, can you say anything like this about Bolt? A year ago this guy just ran about an 80m effort then played the crowd, all while setting a world record.

Yes a white man winning is as probable as a white man carrying

more than 4".It's a physiological impossibility.

Lemaitre and the Japanese ? We are talking track here and not ping pong

or cycling.They don't have the DNA for sprinting.

Cliff Klaven wrote:

Emil C wrote:

Jamaicans and Americans will time their cycles right and dominate at the WCs.

The sad part is that this French dude and the Japanese kid are probably the two fastest CLEAN sprinters on the planet right now.

Yes, because all top black sprinters (basically, all top sprinters) use drugs and none of the top non-black sprinters do. We don't need any actual information to arrive at this conclusion. After all, this is LetsKKK.com

Check the sprinters on the IAAF doping list there is some actual information there

Emil C wrote:

Oh please.

1) I'm not white.

2) I also believe Gay and Collins may be clean.

Anyone who thinks Bolt, Blake, and the rest of the Jamaicans aren't doping is only fooling themselves.

And Gatlin is a chode.

Wonder if you are American or Jamaican

Doclove wrote:

Check the sprinters on the IAAF doping list there is some actual information there

Seeing as how there is exactly one world class non-black sprinter, what exactly does this prove?

Klaven/UncleB/Gallagher/boubatronic/shxthead:

It is useless talking to you. You're too stupid to understand what people say, and too much of a sucker who has bought into the stultifying rhetoric of the politics of race, which you have done also because you are stupid.

That's how I see you. I will completely ignore the moniker Klaven, in addition to the others listed above.