Jordan tells Mary Cain to go NCAA

Joedan H says: "you must go to college. So you can be like me. I am the goat ur not as good as me just yet missy. stay in school u dont have enough talent"

hasay is the last ope-minded person in America, so..

I completely disagree with everyone about how Mary Cain should go pro. She should follow the Rupp model and win some NCAA championships before going pro. There is so much more she can learn on tactics and competition. It was good enough for Bernard Lagat also.

Remember Tiffany McWilliams? Turning pro really worked for her, didn't it. (And I'm not suggesting that they are similar.)

Justin9I wrote:

hasay is the last ope-minded person in America, so..

1. What doe "ope-minded" mean?

2. "so..." what?

Tiffany McWilliams won some NCAA championships and graduated from college (well, Mississippi State). What's your point?

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I completely disagree with everyone about how Mary Cain should go pro. She should follow the Rupp model and win some NCAA championships before going pro. There is so much more she can learn on tactics and competition. It was good enough for Bernard Lagat also.

Remember Tiffany McWilliams? Turning pro really worked for her, didn't it. (And I'm not suggesting that they are similar.)

q3=4-59=32q45[ert3=-459 wrote:

I completely disagree with everyone about how Mary Cain should go pro. She should follow the Rupp model and win some NCAA championships before going pro. There is so much more she can learn on tactics and competition. It was good enough for Bernard Lagat also.

Remember Tiffany McWilliams? Turning pro really worked for her, didn't it. (And I'm not suggesting that they are similar.)

What tactics does she need to learn? She's already been beating the pros in various styles of races.

Evan Jager says go pro.

If this Jordan is Michael and not Hasay then he cannot compare basketball to track.

You can go to college full time and run track as a pro.

You can't go to college full time and play in the NBA.

The NCAA doesn't deserve publicity where it can make money off of the enslaved back of Mary Cain while she has to turn down free stuff and can't work for money during the season.

Screw them.

The most stunning thing about this girl is how great she is so young. Her youthful personality is very marketable, very exciting, and very inspiring. The sport is in need of someone that people in the U.S. can relate to and look up to. Here is a little girl that labels herself as a nerd and doesn't look like an elite Kenyan athlete but runs like one.

She goes pro now and I really think with Alberto and Nike's help, she could become the biggest running household name since Steve Prefontaine.

She goes to college and she could become the next Alan Webb or Jordan Hassay.

She's good at running now. Running has a limited shelf life. She cold be an early peaker (Jim Ryun or Alan Webb). Make the most of it for yourself and for the sport in general, go pro now.

College will always be there.

q3=4-59=32q45[ert3=-459 wrote:

I completely disagree with everyone about how Mary Cain should go pro. She should follow the Rupp model and win some NCAA championships before going pro. There is so much more she can learn on tactics and competition. It was good enough for Bernard Lagat also.

Remember Tiffany McWilliams? Turning pro really worked for her, didn't it. (And I'm not suggesting that they are similar.)

What the hell can she learn about tactics and competition in college races? She is so much better than everybody else.

From everything I can piece together, Cain will definitely be enrolling in college and will run at least a year. An NCAA XC season and running in races where the focus is not always on time will benefit her. I regretted seeing Ajee Wilson turn pro, I felt she simply wasn't ready physically and mentally. Ajee's 53/2:01 credentials would have been a great addition to an NCAA team, but on the pro circuit, it is B level. With that said, I think Ajee is capable of 1:59, but to be at your absolute best every time you step on the track is a lot of pressure.

TrackCoach wrote:

From everything I can piece together, Cain will definitely be enrolling in college and will run at least a year. An NCAA XC season and running in races where the focus is not always on time will benefit her. I regretted seeing Ajee Wilson turn pro, I felt she simply wasn't ready physically and mentally. Ajee's 53/2:01 credentials would have been a great addition to an NCAA team, but on the pro circuit, it is B level. With that said, I think Ajee is capable of 1:59, but to be at your absolute best every time you step on the track is a lot of pressure.

Then why compare her to Mary? Cain is running at an elite level unlike Ajee. Cain is running with and beating professional runners; there is nothing to gain from competing in the NCAA.

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The NCAA doesn't deserve publicity where it can make money off of the enslaved back of Mary Cain while she has to turn down free stuff and can't work for money during the season.

Screw them.

Death to the NCAA, last bastion of exploitive "amateurism."

Without it, the US could have a successful club system.

It sounds like Mary's Father is for her being on an NCAA team (see below). I personally don't see her going to Oregon, but to either Stanford or an Ivy. She appears to be into academics and her social sphere is very much into going to an academically elite college.

"Cain turned 17 in May and has another year of high school remaining. All of her early success is fueling speculation that she might turn professional as early as this summer.

Dr. Cain isn't one of those people, at least not yet. He said he would like his daughter to maintain a balance between academics and athletics and sees advantages in being part of a college track team. Even talk of college, he said, has been shelved until the NCAA's recruiting window officially opens July 1.

We've been consciously avoiding (recruitment) until July 1,Dr. Cain said."

I think her age is just a year off for this plan to make sense. If she had just graduated, she could run for U of O for a year during a non-championship season of 2014. She'd most likely take a loss or two in XC, then could have fun and race sparingly in track. Challenge Jenny B's NCAA records, then go pro for the 2015 season.

Since she's only a jr, not sure if it makes as much sense however. Her frosh year would be 2015 track season and I would think the smartest plan would be to cash in for that season as a pro. Can she graduate early and enroll at U of O now somehow???

Word on the street is that Cain is looking at a select few Ivies, Gtown, Villanova and Stanford. I say she ends up at one of the last three.

Word is wrote:

Word on the street is that Cain is looking at a select few Ivies, Gtown, Villanova and Stanford. I say she ends up at one of the last three.

I grew up in the same type environment as Mary Cain and believe me although Georgetown and Villanova are great schools, they are considered back-up schools to Standford or the Ivies. She is apparently super smart so she can get in anywhere she wants. I think Princeton.

Cain should go pro if her contract would be worth more than her scholarship. She can definitely use her money to pay to attend college for the education. You never know how her college career will go. German Fernandez could have gotten a big contract after his freshman year of college but instead remained at OSU and now is making far less than he would have immediately after his freshman year.

with how well she is doing under Salazar it would be silly to do anything but keep training with him and go pro as soon as she graduates high school. heck, she probably would get an even bigger contract this summer than next summer because she's improving an insane amount this year and probably next year her improvement will slow down once she starts getting closer to the limits of the human body. If she decides to go pro instead of running for a college team it would probably make more sense to turn pro after this summer, especially if she makes worlds. Right now she is running for nike for free, she may as well bring in a couple hundred grand next year instead of running for free.

While I agree with her Dad that running on a college team would be a great experience, because it is, she is so far above anyone on any college team right NOW as a junior in HS in two years she wouldn't even be able to train with college females.

up to snuff wrote:

Word is wrote:

Word on the street is that Cain is looking at a select few Ivies, Gtown, Villanova and Stanford. I say she ends up at one of the last three.

I grew up in the same type environment as Mary Cain and believe me although Georgetown and Villanova are great schools, they are considered back-up schools to Standford or the Ivies. She is apparently super smart so she can get in anywhere she wants. I think Princeton.

I am familiar with that area as well and they send a ton of kids to G'town and Nova. The Ivies are difficult to get into even for kids from affluent areas. Harvard for example might have an incoming freshman class of 1,000, 1/3rd are foreign students, about 10% special admits (big money, kids of diplomats, politicians, faculty underserved, etc.), another 20% are kids who went to an off-the-chart school, off-the-chart school and off-the-chart school SAT scores. That leaves you with about 300 spots for your typical exceptional student from good family and an affluent area.