Sean McGorty Sends Arroyo a Message - 8:46 3200 to win by 68 Seconds @ Lake Braddock

Is this true? Where? Splits? Why didn't he run Arcadia?

He's a boss, probably had prom or something later that night and didn't want to fly to california. Kid's a stud.

Wow!

8:46 in a race where second place was 9:54. At least he had a lot of lapped runners to gun after in the last 800. But he must have been running extra ground to get around them.

The prep depth (boys and girls both) seems to be lining up to be the greatest ever in U.S. history.

Don't forget about Burcham.

maybe.. wrote:

Ed Chez, Bernie, Saarel, Arroyo, and McGorty that dream mile should be insane.

I was there, the winds were VERY heavy. It's being reported as 20mpw winds which is BS, but it was from from ideal conditions for sure. I had him closing in 59high last 400. Tough kid

quicka rticle on the race. results will be on milestat before the weekend is over

amazing he could actually text arroyo while maintaining that pace. incredible.

tom ace wrote:

amazing he could actually text arroyo while maintaining that pace. incredible.

Haha!

On another note, this year's senior class is very reminiscent of the Derrick, Fernandez, Puskedra, Lowe, Finnerty, Fout class, except this group has more speed. It's very encouraging for the future of American distance running.

beast

outside of derrick and gf. there was nothing special about that class.

puskedra/lowe types come every year

healthy wrote:

outside of derrick and gf. there was nothing special about that class.

puskedra/lowe types come every year

No.

All those guys the other poster mentioned are still among the best of all time, and better than this year's class to date.

e.g.

Puskedra vs. Saarel - Puskedra with better times on the track at every race, both at altitude and at sea level, and Puskedra faster on every XC course except Balboa (which shouldn't be a surprise given how he opened up that race). They are close at most of the events and races though (Eagle Island the only notable difference, where Puskedra had a 12 second edge)

Finnerty - Still #8 All-Time in the mile

Fout - 14:50 at Balboa still the fastest since Solinsky (2002) and only Cheserek has been close since. Also still #5 All-Time at FLMW behind Ritz, Solinsky, and Withrow.

Clearly, to date, that class was stronger than this year's class, and easily one of the strongest ever.

Donn Cabral -- 15:08 course record at FLNE (Van Cortlandt 5k), and although we're mostly talking about HS achievements, he was 8th in the Olympic steeple final last year, just out of college, the first Olympian from that class. Alan Webb (like plenty of other great runners) has never finished so high as 8th in a World/Olympic final.

Webb got 8th in Osaka

Saarel...off his last 2 races alone. Is a better HS runner than Puskedra ever was.

Nothing Puskedra did will ever compare to an 8:45 3200 with a 4:11 last 1600, 55.0 last 400, 26.7 200. Puskedra did run 8:46 but that was getting spanked by GF by 70m.

Fout ran fast because he was a front runner. Lukas/Cheserek ...CLEARLY superior runners...ran for the win. The past few XC Nationals have been tactical....

This year has ~10 dudes at 8:50 3200 already? Most of them running 4:20 or faster for the last mile.

Then, it has a 4:02 miler as a junior who doesn't get mentioned.

Fout was a no show in track. Derrick was hurt. GF was lightyears ahead.

it was really the GF show all spring.

This class will trump everything that class did -- outside of Derrick/GF -- by far.

healthy wrote:

Saarel...off his last 2 races alone. Is a better HS runner than Puskedra ever was.

Nothing Puskedra did will ever compare to an 8:45 3200 with a 4:11 last 1600, 55.0 last 400, 26.7 200. Puskedra did run 8:46 but that was getting spanked by GF by 70m.

Fout ran fast because he was a front runner. Lukas/Cheserek ...CLEARLY superior runners...ran for the win. The past few XC Nationals have been tactical....

This year has ~10 dudes at 8:50 3200 already? Most of them running 4:20 or faster for the last mile.

Then, it has a 4:02 miler as a junior who doesn't get mentioned.

Fout was a no show in track. Derrick was hurt. GF was lightyears ahead.

it was really the GF show all spring.

This class will trump everything that class did -- outside of Derrick/GF -- by far.

This is correct. Don't forget Saarel's 2:11/1:56 with 54.3 close last night to destroy Montoya.

There are 4-5 runners who may vault into the all timer combo list before this year is done

Cheserek 8:39/4:02 mile/1:49,x 800

Montoya: 4:01/8:50 so far

Arroya: 1:47.xx/4:06 mile conv. and 8:54 two mile

Saarel: Needs a fast mile, has that chance iof he seeks it, is 2-0 vs Montoya, which shocks me

McGorty needs a mile mark, fine runner but he could not beat, Ches, Saarel or Montoya off what I have seen, and maybe not Arroyo

Saarel is a more savvy runner than Puskedra was in high school, but he hasn't run better times than Puskedra ran.

8:46.41y, 8:47.06y, and 8:54.40 at altitude versus an 8:55.27 at semi-altitude and 8:45.74 at Arcadia. 4:06.60y and 4:08.77iy versus 4:08.55y at Mt. SAC. 14:49 at Eagle Island (Bob Firman#1), 14:54.6 at Sugarhouse Park (UT State#1), and 15:15 at Balboa (FLN#4) versus 15:08.26 at Eagle Island (Bob Firman#3; revised course, ~10 seconds slower), 14:56.7 at Sugarhouse Park (UT State#1), and 15:13 at Balboa (FLN#4).

Puskedra faster at every course and event except FLN, where he took it out in what? 2:08 for the first 800?

I agree that Cheserek and Verzbicas probably could have ran faster. But they didn't, and none of the other runners in the races since 2007 were going to run under 14:50 either, so it's not like Fout was an "every year" kind of guy as you said. By the way, he was hurt in track as well, so I'm not sure how you can "forgive" Derrick for that - even though he had a couple healthy months including a pretty good 5k at Arcadia - without giving Fout the same benefit.

I never said that this year didn't have a lot of guys around 8:50 for 3200m. But the top of the 2007 class remains one of the strongest ever, and to this point stronger than the 2013 class. That was a special class, even if you only want to give credit to Derrick and Fernandez.

Puskedra was a beast in high school. That poster was probably in 7th grade during Puskedra's senior year. Is probably hoping Saarel will ask him to prom.