Footlocker has tough hills. That's what xc is about, not overcrowded races with knee deep mud.
Footlocker has tough hills. That's what xc is about, not overcrowded races with knee deep mud.
Admin wrote:
Footlocker has tough hills. That's what xc is about, not overcrowded races with knee deep mud.
You mean like NCAA xc, just 40 runners there on a real hilly course right?
Why have course records if the conditions are different EVERY year at Portland Meadows. Have it somewhere where it's similar every year, like Balboa Park, Van Courtland Park or Mt. SAC, not some ridiculous horse track covered in mud and hay bails. Course is a joke. Kids only go to NXN for the free gear.
runn wrote:
jsfdjdsf wrote:1. The course is just a mess. Chris Solinsky was trying so hard not to say it but the course just sucks.
2. What's with the kilometer marks? 2:29 for the 1k then 7:05 for the 2k?
Yeah right...
Yeah, God forbid if a cross-country course is muddy. Man, what do they think this is?
Predictable.
There's muddy and there's a swamp - you had the latter today.
17+ and 19+ for national champions...yeah, nothing wrong with that.
I think this winds up hurting Nike a bit, at least for next year...kids love the Nike swag and all of that stuff, but a course in that kind of condition is not going to help them attract any additional top tier individuals.
be realistic.. wrote:
tstock wrote:A perfect example of why Footlocker is better.
Wake up. This is xc, it ain't about times, it's about racing hard and place. This was a race of toughness and balls and strength, just what xc is all about.
Then all other courses contested throughout the year aren't what XC is all about?
Way too much of a good thing today. You can't have national champs running 17+ and 19+ for a 5k course. There's a tough test and there is stupidity, this falls much closer to the latter.
GO AWAY NIKE EMPLOYEES. Nike sucks monkey cajones. 17+ for boys. this is a joke.
Ok let's be honest and break Dow today's race:
1. The person who said times don't matter in XC got it right.
2. Nothing wrong with a muddy slow course. That is XC
3. Both FL and NXN need to change up their courses but at Balboa park you have long running tradition and history that should not be messed with.
Interesting to note that 4 boys ran in the 17's in the open race that would have been in the top 40. A few decent girls too.
The Mugatu wrote:
be realistic.. wrote:Wake up. This is xc, it ain't about times, it's about racing hard and place. This was a race of toughness and balls and strength, just what xc is all about.
Then all other courses contested throughout the year aren't what XC is all about?
Way too much of a good thing today. You can't have national champs running 17+ and 19+ for a 5k course. There's a tough test and there is stupidity, this falls much closer to the latter.
No, you are wrong. It's xc, winning the race on any course in any conditions is what matters. I ran Div. 3 xc in college, we wnet to nationals one year and it snowed 6 inches the night before the race, we still ran in the snow, you little pansies would have cried and curled up in bed. Suck it up boy and run.
D3 goin hard son
be realistic.. wrote:
The Mugatu wrote:Then all other courses contested throughout the year aren't what XC is all about?
Way too much of a good thing today. You can't have national champs running 17+ and 19+ for a 5k course. There's a tough test and there is stupidity, this falls much closer to the latter.
No, you are wrong. It's xc, winning the race on any course in any conditions is what matters. I ran Div. 3 xc in college, we wnet to nationals one year and it snowed 6 inches the night before the race, we still ran in the snow, you little pansies would have cried and curled up in bed. Suck it up boy and run.
I love internet tough guys - particularly ones that show they are tougher than us all by running in snow. We're really scared of you...please don't hurt us.
I wonder if Cheserek is really bummed that he didn't get to run this sweet course today. Hope he has fun in SD. The Del has a sweet outdoor skating rink on the beach.
Any reporter out there brave enough to ask some of top ranked guys whether they are happy they chose this over San Diego, and any runners brave enough to answer? Or would they all be afraid of offending Nike?
For those saying this is 'real cross country', how many of you ran championship races like this yourselves? I grew up in the NE and ran in high school and college and never experienced anything even remotely like this. Why not make them climb over fences and wade rivers, too? I guess that might be closer to 'real' for some of you? Maybe put some wild dogs out there, too? Maybe some broken glass? That might be more of a tough guy affair than slipping around in mud at a horse track. What exactly is 'real' about this shi**y contrived course?
I just now watched the video, after it took 2 hours to load. Nike had the girls jumping up and down and waving at the start, already a bad precedent. Was this a circus or a race?
I was interested to see how they ran. The course was terrible, not a cross country course but a swamp.
The announcers kept tripping over themselves trying to call this a team race, and kept showing the back of the pack on the video, only showing the front runners a part of the time. Most of the talk was about one or two teams. This was like a sports day at a school, or a fun (if you can call it that) diversion at the end of the season. The announcer's constant parochism was low class and something that I don't want to hear anymore of.
Most of the runners were suffering from hypothermia at the end of the race. The nike employees kept trying to spin the race to their favor but I most most of those kids regret that they picked the wrong race.
san juan hill wrote:
I wonder if Cheserek is really bummed that he didn't get to run this sweet course today. Hope he has fun in SD. The Del has a sweet outdoor skating rink on the beach.
Any reporter out there brave enough to ask some of top ranked guys whether they are happy they chose this over San Diego, and any runners brave enough to answer? Or would they all be afraid of offending Nike?
For those saying this is 'real cross country', how many of you ran championship races like this yourselves? I grew up in the NE and ran in high school and college and never experienced anything even remotely like this. Why not make them climb over fences and wade rivers, too? I guess that might be closer to 'real' for some of you? Maybe put some wild dogs out there, too? Maybe some broken glass? That might be more of a tough guy affair than slipping around in mud at a horse track. What exactly is 'real' about this shi**y contrived course?
Well said. Agree 100%
san juan hill wrote:
I wonder if Cheserek is really bummed that he didn't get to run this sweet course today. Hope he has fun in SD. The Del has a sweet outdoor skating rink on the beach.
Any reporter out there brave enough to ask some of top ranked guys whether they are happy they chose this over San Diego, and any runners brave enough to answer? Or would they all be afraid of offending Nike?
For those saying this is 'real cross country', how many of you ran championship races like this yourselves? I grew up in the NE and ran in high school and college and never experienced anything even remotely like this. Why not make them climb over fences and wade rivers, too? I guess that might be closer to 'real' for some of you? Maybe put some wild dogs out there, too? Maybe some broken glass? That might be more of a tough guy affair than slipping around in mud at a horse track. What exactly is 'real' about this shi**y contrived course?
They call it cross country for a reason; they don't call it immaculate golf course running.
The problem is Spruce Meadows has no drainage, so water gathers in this low-lying acreage.
People in this country are way-too obsessed with times.
I have run XC in the NW for decades, and the Portland Meadows is hands down the crappiest, most unrealistic piece of garbage out there. Within a 30 mile radius there are scads of quality courses, yet they choose this dump due to logistical convenience. A real black eye (with mud in it) to the sport.
Lupine wrote:
be realistic.. wrote:No, you are wrong. It's xc, winning the race on any course in any conditions is what matters. I ran Div. 3 xc in college, we wnet to nationals one year and it snowed 6 inches the night before the race, we still ran in the snow, you little pansies would have cried and curled up in bed. Suck it up boy and run.
I love internet tough guys - particularly ones that show they are tougher than us all by running in snow. We're really scared of you...please don't hurt us.
No douchebag, the point is that you run in whatever conditions you are handed.
BTW, ran low 48 min. for 10 miles one yr out of Div. 3, how bout you?
Artificial spectator friendly aint cross country
"I lost my scholarship offer after I was injured on a hay bale"
Looks more like BMX racing over fake moguls, just need the down-hill start behind the drop-bar gate
NIKE- get a grip, run a naturally formed traditional course
, put up a huge tv monitor screen with live coverage of the leaders from the lead vehicle.
People can watch from the stands/finish
i just watched the videos. the entire race including the coverage has a depressing overtone. the course isugly.
the course even looks like it smells like horse sh*t
the girls look miserable. maybe they could have at least cut the grass down some