If FM wins again today...

lol what is one example of something "very suspicious" that they could be doing??..

I think they just care about NXN more than most schools. They are very good but no one else focuses the entire year just based on NXN.

If they are doing something suspicious it ain't working for their Stotan runners, that has been a flop. I just think they can brainwash HS kids better than anyone else.

I think there are more and more schools each year focused very much on NXN, but COME ON...to dominate like they have is ridiculous.

Triple-digit wins with double-digit points against the best teams in the country year after year.

If they are doing it legit...damn they are good. If they are up to something I have no idea what.

And don't give me the Lance Armstrong..."what am I on? I'm on my bike 356 days a year busting my ass!" excuse. We saw how that ended.

How do you get a bunch of well off families over a couple decades to all partake in something shady? You can't. Someone would have said something. They are just that legit.

Have fun paying more state taxes in Cali you loser!

Aris is really that smart and good. I went to a lecture by him and the guy is a genious. No one know more about the sport of running and running equipment.

They train their girls like the boys (mentally and physically). They are so strong and are some of the most tenacious and competitive athletes (not just runners) at the high school level. The Aris' get these kids in 8th grade, develop them properly and instill a tough-as-nails mindset.

I don't understand why you said, "If".

We're talking about high school girls. Something would have surfaced by now if there were any performance enhancing drugs going around.

If you've coached at the high school level you would understand the greatest hurdle to overcome is getting the kids to buy into your program.

If you've been in that position you would know just how difficult that is.

New York allows the teams to work with the kids at the middle school age before they get all wrapped up the dating and social scene they experience in high school. The kids see the success of the team and buy into the culture that Bill Aris has established.

The culture of this kind of team takes a long time to establish. It took Aris a long time to get there. The difficult part is behind him. The new kids coming in witness greatness form the other athletes and what needs to be done to get there.

The training methods are important but it's really just a small part in the reason why they are successful.

"well off families"

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Yeah it's a money/class thing. I can name a very similar program. They do things the same way though not with the same depth. Similar upper-middle class values.

It's about early development and a tradition that commands a community's respect. Look at the schools these kids are going to when they grad'.

They aren't just a handful of girls who get it together in the fall and go out and win. It's all a plan that starts in the spring.

Last year Jillian Fanning was one of the top 5 XC runners in the nation. With injuries and what not she was just another girl on the team for most of the year finishing usually around 3rd runner for them most races. She wasn't going to win the race but she showed up strong for FM and was the top runner. They just all buy into the total team concept! Aris is a great motivator to say the least!

otter wrote:

The culture of this kind of team takes a long time to establish. It took Aris a long time to get there. The difficult part is behind him. The new kids coming in witness greatness form the other athletes and what needs to be done to get there.

Actually that is not accurate. Aris won in his second year with Manlius.

No. He's been there for a while. Just not the head coach.

This riddle is way beyond your comprehension, bro. I suppose 'ol Joe Newton engages in shady methods with his kids also?