ataglance wrote:
Some times people stop spending their time running and start golfing, or doing any number of other activities.
or start doing real sports, like crossfit.
ataglance wrote:
Some times people stop spending their time running and start golfing, or doing any number of other activities.
or start doing real sports, like crossfit.
Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:
Thanks for contributing, but it's worth to point out that 10k race pace is for the active/very short recovery between the sprints. The sprints itself are at max speed. VERY FAST.
I'll leave it to the readers to judge if the guy in the video is sprinting (A) VERY FAST, or (B) slow. He has a 6:30 Helen which makes it one of the fastest times out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVNTrJQ1uogWhat in the world are those pull ups?!! I'm going to puke.
Stick of dynamite, son!
I'm not slamming your post, but I feel the need to adress a few things:
ataglance wrote:
It does work for some people. I have some friends that do it and really like it.
this is true a lot to an extent...you need to factor in those who think it's stupid or too hard or whatever but don't want to admit they fell for it and wasted hundreds of dollars. i know three people in this category.
It's not drudgery like distance running. And contrary to popular belief, not everyone is made to be a distance runner.
who says distance running is drudgery? if you don't like it don't run distance. and everybody is built for distance...the physiology is there but it just depends on the psychology...everybody essentially has the same body, it's the mind that varies greatly.
Everyone does not have a goal to run a marathon nor do they care about their time for X distance.
spot-on
It's better than the traditional body building type lifting people have tried for years because it's not about posing, it's about overall functional strength.
so wrong on so many levels. posing? come one. the functional strength argument of crossfit is prlly one of the worst of their talking points...unless you're a firefighter or a soldier how often does anyone need to haul 150 lbs over their head, and even still it doesn't happen often in those situations. There are not many real life equivalents to most of their routines...wallballs?
It's more fun than going to the gym and going through the typical motions.
possibly but still a matter of opinion. i personally don't have any desire for some douchebag wannabe drill sargeant yelling at me for one more meaningless rep.
I just dont see how runners (people that seem to enjoy the simple aspect of the sport) could disagree with workouts that have been around for years. Heck I did a lot of this stuff in the off season. How can you argue against:
push ups i don't think i've ever seen crossfit advocate regular pushups, they're not extreme or out of the ordinary enough
pull upskipping? aka swing arond like an epileptic monkey cheating with momentum for squeezing out reps? haha don't get me started.
squat thrustsburpees, haha another traditional movement with that CF flair[/]
box jumpssingle handeldy responsible for record amounts of blown out achilles injuries in a single year. it's so bad even CF has taken a step back from them
Olympic liftsresponding to this deserves a post all its own
sprints with some form of resistance just stick to what u already k ow with this one, don't let it get all CF'd up
Crossfit doesnt threaten distance running in slightest!
no, but they think they do which is why their arrogance is so annoying
It's better than the traditional body building type lifting people have tried for years because it's not about posing, it's about overall functional strength.
so wrong on so many levels. posing? come one. the functional strength argument of crossfit is prlly one of the worst of their talking points...unless you're a firefighter or a soldier how often does anyone need to haul 150 lbs over their head, and even still it doesn't happen often in those situations. There are not many real life equivalents to most of their routines...wallballs?
None of your points make much sense, but I'll just address the one quoted above.
You don't jump on boxes on throw medicine balls against the wall to prepare for jumping on boxes or throwing heavy things against the wall in real life... you do it because it's an effective way to exercise that just makes you feel better.. just like you run because its an effective way to exercise that just makes you feel better. Nothing you do in the gym or on the roads has a real life counterpart unless youre in the military or are a profesional athlete. This is dumb.
ataglance wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:There has been a ton of stuff coming out of crossfit "gyms" the past few years slamming running in order to try to poach off participants in marathon training groups to crossfit programs. Running has never tried to promote itself by putting down crossfit. But, crossfitters just cannot resist making all kinds of stupid claims about running being bad for you and how crossfit is better for running than the training plans that have been developed by elite coaches over many years of trial and error and scientific analysis. So, when crossfitters start spewing stupid stuff about how crossfit is the ultimate exercise routine, runners get fed up and shoot back.
Sounds like a perceived slight at best AND.. anyone that is "poached" wasn't really much of a runner any way. You guys just need to get over it. Some times people stop spending their time running and start golfing, or doing any number of other activities.
It is one thing for people to lose interest in running and do something else, it is another thing for people to be swayed by total crossfit BS like this:
http://www.crossfitoakland.com/archives/2009/06/marathon_runner.htmlI have seen that picture posted a zillion times by crossfitters. It is complete BS. The marathoner could lift weights and do crossfit all day and would still look about the same. The marathoner is an ectomorph. It doesn't matter how much he lifts, he will not gain muscle mass the way an endomorph does. Plus, they have taken a picture of a very extreme endomorph to make their point. I bet if you put a pic of marathon stud boys like Josh Cox or Ryan Hall up next to a pic of the sprinter, most people would prefer to look like the marathoner. but the bottom line is that crossfit is trying to build their sport by demeaning running. that is wrong and runners should not just look the other way when people are making stupid claims regarding our sport.
All about "forging elite fitness".
This is all very dumb wrote:
It's better than the traditional body building type lifting people have tried for years because it's not about posing, it's about overall functional strength.
so wrong on so many levels. posing? come one. the functional strength argument of crossfit is prlly one of the worst of their talking points...unless you're a firefighter or a soldier how often does anyone need to haul 150 lbs over their head, and even still it doesn't happen often in those situations. There are not many real life equivalents to most of their routines...wallballs?
None of your points make much sense, but I'll just address the one quoted above.
You don't jump on boxes on throw medicine balls against the wall to prepare for jumping on boxes or throwing heavy things against the wall in real life... you do it because it's an effective way to exercise that just makes you feel better.. just like you run because its an effective way to exercise that just makes you feel better. Nothing you do in the gym or on the roads has a real life counterpart unless youre in the military or are a profesional athlete. This is dumb.
Thank you for proving my point. Crossfit claims to prepare you for real life events aka "functional strength" however you are indeed just jumping up and down and throwing balls at a wall. Maybe if you're at Target and you think what you need is on a top shelf, so you jump up and grab it...only to realize it isn't and now you have the functional strength to throw it back up. LoL!
And if you are an athlete or even just mildly athletic, yeah running does have more day to day application. What about any of this makes you think you disagree with me, or I with you for that matter???
Precious Roy wrote:
http://www.crossfitoakland.com/archives/2009/06/marathon_runner.html
"The marathon runner will win a fight by running away from it."
Haha, so true.
that is wrong and runners should not just look the other way when people are making stupid claims regarding our sport.
So everyone should run? Is that the end all be all of your argument? I just dont understand why a runner would give 2 $hits if someone want to do a different physical activity?
People get on here yapping all day about fat @sses clogging up races, or how disgusting couch potatoes are, but then a bunch of folks do a different workout and you lose your minds.
Personally as a runner, Id rather people move into other activities and sports and leave the running to the runners.
Running is a great way to burn calories, and get fit to do more running. But honestly it's not the best overall fitness program out there. How many "skinny fat" runners do you know that regularly do marathons?
ataglance wrote:
that is wrong and runners should not just look the other way when people are making stupid claims regarding our sport.
So everyone should run? Is that the end all be all of your argument? I just dont understand why a runner would give 2 $hits if someone want to do a different physical activity?
People get on here yapping all day about fat @sses clogging up races, or how disgusting couch potatoes are, but then a bunch of folks do a different workout and you lose your minds.
Personally as a runner, Id rather people move into other activities and sports and leave the running to the runners.
Running is a great way to burn calories, and get fit to do more running. But honestly it's not the best overall fitness program out there. How many "skinny fat" runners do you know that regularly do marathons?
I do not care whether someone does a different workout than running. People are free to do whatever they want. But, crossfit has consistently bashed running based on specious and unfounded claims about alleged negative effects of running and equally specious and unfounded claims about the superiority of crossfit. If crossfit is such a great revolution in fitness training, why is there a need to promote it by putting down running with false information? And why should runners not be allowed to fire back when people are making false claims about our sport?
It is not a question of whether one is better than the other. It is a question of whether one has the right to put the other down with false information for the self-serving reason of trying to get more people to pay huge gym fees to make a big profit for crossfit gym owners. Runners have every right to call out crossfit for its BS.
I think you're missing the point. You came to a running forum, and told a bunch of runners that running isn't the best way to exercise and that runners should do some things other than running.
Running.
Seriously, I kind of like Crossfit, as a concept. One of my early high school 'rivals' quit running in college and became a Crossfit Instructor. We have the same educational background, so I'm confident he is a good trainer, despite having never been to one of his workouts.
The things that bother me about the whole thing can be summed up as follows:
1) If you tell me that "slogging miles makes you weak" (as taken from a post above, I invite you to join me for a week of training. That would include two lifting sessions, one drill/stride workout, one tempo, a track workout, a long run, and two or three "recovery" runs of 6-9 miles at 7:00-7:30 pace. This is how modern competitive runners train (not that I'm competitive)
2) If you tell me that "Sprinting intervals is better for aerobic development than running!" I will rage meltdown in your face, screaming something about specificity and capillary density and rate limiting enzymes and glycogen stores before collapsing in a heap and crying over my Exercise Science degree.
If you don't want to run, and instead do crossfit, good for you! Don't come to the land of internet runners and tell them about it. Oh God, and I just read your "skinny fat" comment. I'm not going to freak out about that, I'm not going to freak out about that, I'm not going to freak out about that......
ataglance wrote:
Running is a great way to burn calories
lies don't turn into facts if you repeat them often enough.
Fact: slogging countless miles makes you efficient at exactly that. Maybe you burn 500 cal the first time you slog 7 miles. Once you're used to it and get efficient, that number turns into half. But you still eat the same, so you get "skinny fat".
You need to introduce a new stimulus all the time. Welcome to crossfit.
I think some people here still don't get it.
I'm not even sure I even know what a Crossfit style sprint even is.
At first glance I thought of Tabata...which was originally a speedskating workout: 20 seconds all out, 10 second rest. Repeat 8 times.
If you're talking about the running portion of a Crossfit Workout....it's as much made up bullshit as any other Crossfit workout. It looks hard so it must be effective right?
This sounds fun:
1 mile run
100 pullups
200 pushups
300 squats
1 mile run
*Pullups, Pushups, Squats done in any fashion...ie circuits, straight through, etc
Alan
SCIENCE! wrote:
Oh God, and I just read your "skinny fat" comment. I'm not going to freak out about that, I'm not going to freak out about that, I'm not going to freak out about that......
You don't understand what I mean by "skinny fat". Have you been to a road race lately? You typical skinny fat, guy is probably 30+ yrs old, runs marathons 2:50+ but has a flabby gut and limp arms w/ no definition. If he takes his shirt off you would not think "oh yes an athlete."
1st I think you have my take TOTALLY wrong. I am a runner. I dont do crossfit, and I didnt come on here telling runners that they shouldnt run or that they should do cross fit.
I DO think runners shouldn't be so damn paranoid and defensive about other people doing other activities. I dont care if someone says running isn't good for you or whatever.. Ill keep running because I like it.
Coach b money wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UU79lEylHI&feature=player_embeddedIs this what you call running very fast, the first rep they do isn't fast let alone the last two.
Why would anyone put this video on YouTube?
Better question, how does it have 77K views, thats like a full NFL football stadium
Runningart2004 wrote:
I'm not even sure I even know what a Crossfit style sprint even is.
At first glance I thought of Tabata...which was originally a speedskating workout: 20 seconds all out, 10 second rest. Repeat 8 times.
If you're talking about the running portion of a Crossfit Workout....it's as much made up bullshit as any other Crossfit workout. It looks hard so it must be effective right?
This sounds fun:
1 mile run
100 pullups
200 pushups
300 squats
1 mile run
*Pullups, Pushups, Squats done in any fashion...ie circuits, straight through, etc
Alan
Yes...I don't believe there is such a thing as Crossfit sprint style. In fact, it's usually just an upbeat run...or wobble...to the next station in the circuit.
Some of the crossfit workouts can be fun and even useful...but most need to be toned down quite a bit. Crossfit has much to offer...but also much to ignore. And the organization itself seems to be run by some very reckless and ignorant folks...who are really good at marketing.
Nonetheless...there is no need for runners to be offended or bothered by any of it.
By the way...the guy in the video above...the one that did "Helen" in 6:34...he needs to measure his 400m...cause it's way short. But he is pretty damn strong.
ataglance wrote:
Have you been to a road race lately? You typical skinny fat, guy is probably 30+ yrs old, runs marathons 2:50+ but has a flabby gut and limp arms w/ no definition. If he takes his shirt off you would not think "oh yes an athlete."
Yes that's exactly what I mean but runners don't seem to understand.
Anyway, it is not too late. #transformYourLife
Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:
ataglance wrote:Have you been to a road race lately? You typical skinny fat, guy is probably 30+ yrs old, runs marathons 2:50+ but has a flabby gut and limp arms w/ no definition. If he takes his shirt off you would not think "oh yes an athlete."
Yes that's exactly what I mean but runners don't seem to understand.
Anyway, it is not too late. #transformYourLife
Much like runners often do...you hurt the credibility of your sport with silly comparisons and claims.
Then again...maybe you're just messing with people.
I understand what you mean, I just think that is the single worst term ever coined.
I also understand your stance, I was just using you as an example of "why everyone here cares so much about crossfit". Not trying to personally attack you or anything, you're probably a good dude. I especially like your "Everybody needs to let everybody else do their own thing" approach.
Also, I'm not sure how many 2:50 marathon guys you know, but is that really typical of that level of athlete? I've seen some very "weak" or "scrawny" runners (many of whom were very competitive over 5k or 10k) who's body types I don't envy, but form follows function. Would they be healthier athletes with some core strength and shoulder stability? Sure would. I even believe that they'd be better runners, but that doesn't mean what they're doing is "wrong".
My, albeit somewhat elitist, viewpoint is that most of the folks that crossfitters or whoever say are "slogging" or running "wrong" don't even qualify as REAL runners. If I play basketball horrendously on the weekends in some pick-up games, am I really a basketball player? No one can tell me I can't do it, and I'll continue (hypothetically) to play because I like it. But I am not a basketball player, in my own eyes, I am a guy who plays basketball sometimes.