HEPS Track and Field 2012-13

Sorry - I didn't have a copy of the start lists. Was Bendtsen the same thing, since he too dropped out?

Hey, the SPIRE track where Wade ran his 4:00.00 mile is an oversized one (300m), according to the facility's website:

Indoor Track & Field

(240,000 sq. ft.)

8-lane, 300-meter Beynon track, with radius used on outdoor tracks

http://www.spireinstitute.org/facilities#track-field-building

I only bring it up because the time has not been converted on TFRRS. According to the new NCAA conversions of oversized to banks (1.0129), it converts to a 4:03.096 (at least by my calculations).

Huh - I thought times on oversized tracks get converted to typical track size (200m)... is that the old system? Damn, I wish I could delete my old posts.

C/M Runner wrote:

Hey, the SPIRE track where Wade ran his 4:00.00 mile is an oversized one (300m)...

Yes, definitely oversized (the photos of the facility make it look immense). Cornell's women posted the #1/2/3 3,000m times in school history, which I could easily see: not just gentler/faster curves, but imagine the psychological boost of only having to run ten laps!

There is no conversion from oversized to banks they are classified together.

UPDATE ON MY VIRTUAL MEET RANKINGS FEBRUARY 10TH EDITION

I took every athlete's PB from over the past 5 seasons 2011 IN, 2011 OU, 2012 IN, 2012 OU & 2013 IN and ranked the top 12 times/marks

The scoring is not counting 4x4, 4x8, or DMR:

193 Princeton (up 23 from last week)

116.5 Cornell (up 4.5 from last week)

71 Harvard (down 2 from last week)

50 Columbia (down 10 from last week)

33.5 Brown (down 4.5 from last week)

15 Penn (down 3 from last week)

11 Dartmouth (down 8 from last week)

6 Yale (same as last week)

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RNK EVENT NAME SCHOOL MARK PTS

1 60 Spooney, John Brown 6.79 7.00

1 60 Adarquah-Yiadon, Jedidiah Cornell 6.79 7.00

1 60 Bain, Chris Cornell 6.79 7.00

1 60 Wilson, Damani Harvard 6.79 7.00

5 60 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 6.80 2.00

6 60 Ezekoye, Andrew Harvard 6.82 1.00

7 60 Reilly, Connor Dartmouth 6.83

8 60 Nelson, Lavondre Princeton 6.84

9 60 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 6.87

10 60 Hill, John Princeton 6.88

11 60 McCarthy, Connor Harvard 6.90

12 60 Buskey, Brett Dartmouth 6.92

12 60 Egi, William Princeton 6.92

1 400 Hopkins, Tom Princeton 46.23 10.00

2 400 Hollimon, Austin Princeton 46.47 8.00

3 400 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 46.95 6.00

4 400 Spooney, John Brown 47.71 4.00

5 400 Boyd, Kevin Columbia 47.88 2.00

6 400 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 48.37 1.00

7 400 Miner, Sam Columbia 48.62

8 400 Rabbitt, Mike Cornell 48.77

9 400 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 48.86

10 400 Bishop, Jalil Dartmouth 48.94

11 400 Hairston, Max Cornell 49.13

12 400 Howard, Samuel Brown 49.15

1 500 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 1:02.05 10.00

2 500 Kovalczyk, Billy Columbia 1:03.60 8.00

3 500 Claflin, Connor Columbia 1:03.73 6.00

4 500 Elder, Nathan Brown 1:03.76 3.00

4 500 McFann, Harry Columbia 1:03.76 3.00

6 500 Timmins, Tom Penn 1:04.13 1.00

7 500 Admirand, Rutger Cornell 1:04.23

8 500 Carey, Tim Penn 1:04.27

9 500 Wade, Nick Cornell 1:04.31

10 500 Hamlett, Tim Penn 1:04.35

11 500 Cahuzac, Thomas Columbia 1:04.43

12 500 Olloqui, Cisco Cornell 1:04.53

1 800 McFann, Harry Columbia 1:48.14 10.00

2 800 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 1:48.26 8.00

3 800 Callahan, Peter Princeton 1:48.66 6.00

4 800 Admirand, Rutger Cornell 1:48.84 4.00

5 800 Claflin, Connor Columbia 1:49.41 2.00

6 800 Williams, Michael Princeton 1:49.53 1.00

7 800 Fish, Brendon Columbia 1:49.72

8 800 Weinlandt, Will Cornell 1:49.76

9 800 Paternostro, Bradley Princeton 1:49.91

10 800 Wade, Nick Cornell 1:49.92

11 800 Zirngibl, Lukas Dartmouth 1:50.40

12 800 Tufnell, Henry Brown 1:50.42

1 1000 Callahan, Peter Princeton 2:20.78 10.00

2 1000 Willig, Ned Brown 2:22.96 8.00

3 1000 Berg, Erik Brown 2:23.39 6.00

4 1000 Wade, Nick Cornell 2:23.66 4.00

5 1000 Shirvell, James Yale 2:23.85 2.00

6 1000 Paternostro, Bradley Princeton 2:23.91 1.00

7 1000 Fish, Brendon Columbia 2:24.10

8 1000 Schilkowsky, John Cornell 2:24.35

9 1000 Jones, Byron Columbia 2:24.99

10 1000 Cooper, Kevin Brown 2:25.67

11 1000 Tansey, Liam Columbia 2:25.70

12 1000 Admirand, Rutger Cornell 2:25.96

1 3K Bleday, John Dartmouth 7:59.33 10.00

2 3K Vitez, Jonathan Princeton 8:04.38 8.00

3 3K Frankin, Michael Princeton 8:04.59 6.00

4 3K Pons, Sam Princeton 8:06.50 4.00

5 3K Schilkowsky, John Cornell 8:06.54 2.00

6 3K Purnell, Tom Harvard 8:06.95 1.00

7 3K Royer, Phil Dartmouth 8:06.96

8 3K Leakos, James Harvard 8:07.71

9 3K Udland, Tyler Princeton 8:08.49

10 3K Murphy, Mike Columbia 8:08.73

11 3K Arnold, Andy Cornell 8:09.23

12 3K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 8:09.25

1 5K Leakos, James Harvard 13:56.93 10.00

2 5K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 13:57.51 8.00

3 5K Arroyo Yamin, Alejandro Princeton 14:02.08 6.00

4 5K Udland, Tyler Princeton 14:05.78 4.00

5 5K Frankin, Michael Princeton 14:06.82 2.00

6 5K Murphy, Mike Columbia 14:07.00 1.00

7 5K Royer, Phil Dartmouth 14:07.48

8 5K Snyder, Paul Columbia 14:07.81

9 5K Bleday, John Dartmouth 14:07.89

10 5K Kelly, Brett Cornell 14:09.17

11 5K Vitez, Jonathan Princeton 14:09.37

12 5K Composto, Nico Columbia 14:13.41

1 60H Mohr, Robert Princeton 7.91 10.00

2 60H Harris, Jarvis Harvard 8.02 8.00

3 60H Sheldon, Richard Princeton 8.10 5.00

3 60H Caldwell, Gregory Princeton 8.10 5.00

5 60H Hairston, Max Cornell 8.12 2.00

6 60H Carey, Tim Penn 8.19 1.00

7 60H Evanter, Jacob Dartmouth 8.22

8 60H Zeller, Zach Cornell 8.25

9 60H Moan, Tim Harvard 8.27

10 60H Barry, Seck Penn 8.28

11 60H Hanninen, Jon Cornell 8.29

12 60H Hopkins, Tom Princeton 8.32

1 HEP Soerens, Stephen Princeton 5116 10.00

2 HEP Sheldon, Richard Princeton 5100 8.00

3 HEP Hopkins, Tom Princeton 5086 6.00

4 HEP Rhodes, Peter Brown 5055 4.00

5 HEP Rabbitt, Mike Cornell 5037 2.00

6 HEP Pelisek, Brad Princeton 4941 1.00

7 HEP Weinstock, Evan Brown 4903

8 HEP Hynes, Ryan Cornell 4818

9 HEP Oslin, Brian Princeton 4811

10 HEP Athanasopoulos, Nick Cornell 4721

11 HEP Barjon, Jacques Harvard 4633

12 HEP Hanninen, Jon Cornell 4565

1 HJ Reynolds, Maalik Penn 2.28m 10.00

2 HJ Blair, Montez Cornell 2.27m 8.00

3 HJ Afadapa, Stephen Cornell 2.16m 6.00

4 HJ Butler, Tommy Cornell 2.14m 4.00

5 HJ Jarrett, Omar Princeton 2.07m 2.00

6 HJ Pitt, Thomas Penn 2.06m 1.00

7 HJ Stancil, Hercules Cornell 2.04m

7 HJ Birck, Jeremy Dartmouth 2.04m

7 HJ Sparks, Jonathan Harvard 2.04m

10 HJ Scott, Dan Cornell 2.03m

10 HJ Yoder, Sam Dartmouth 2.03m

12 HJ Soerens, Stephen Princeton 2.02m

1 LJ Bell, Steven Cornell 7.50m 10.00

2 LJ McLean, Damon Princeton 7.43m 7.00

2 LJ Hopkins, Tom Princeton 7.43m 7.00

4 LJ Stancil, Hercules Cornell 7.40m 4.00

5 LJ Soerens, Stephen Princeton 7.33m 2.00

6 LJ Blair, Montez Cornell 7.29m 1.00

7 LJ Chew, Han Wei Cornell 7.23m

8 LJ Molidor, Shane Princeton 7.20m

9 LJ Rodriguez, Malcolm Harvard 7.19m

10 LJ Athanasopoulos, Nick Cornell 7.17m

10 LJ White, Jourdan Cornell 7.17m

12 LJ Lindberg, Dana Yale 7.05m

1 MILE Callahan, Peter Princeton 3:58.76 10.00

2 MILE Wade, Nick Cornell 4:00.00 8.00

3 MILE Everett, Daniel Columbia 4:00.42 6.00

4 MILE Feigen, Mark Columbia 4:00.74 4.00

5 MILE Gregorek, John Columbia 4:01.98 2.00

6 MILE Korolev, Maksim Harvard 4:02.21 1.00

7 MILE Berg, Erik Brown 4:02.31

8 MILE Cooper, Kevin Brown 4:02.69

9 MILE Williams, Michael Princeton 4:02.74

10 MILE Schilkowsky, John Cornell 4:02.91

11 MILE Jones, Byron Columbia 4:03.79

12 MILE Bleday, John Dartmouth 4:04.02

1 PV Weiler, Nico Harvard 5.50m 10.00

2 PV Roach, Peter Cornell 5.17m 8.00

3 PV Bragg, Adam Princeton 5.06m 6.00

4 PV Garin, Fedor Harvard 5.01m 4.00

5 PV Rayburn, Keith Cornell 4.90m 2.00

6 PV Kim, David Cornell 4.85m 1.00

7 PV Chandler, Paul Yale 4.80m

8 PV Pawlak, Steven Cornell 4.75m

9 PV Coneway, David Princeton 4.70m

10 PV Cyphers, Josh Dartmouth 4.65m

10 PV Sullivan, Brendan Yale 4.65m

12 PV Gilson, Brett Dartmouth 4.55m

1 SP Mozia, Stephen Cornell 19.89m 10.00

2 SP Glauser, Ben Harvard 18.07m 8.00

3 SP Brode, Dustin Harvard 17.82m 6.00

4 SP Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 17.53m 4.00

5 SP Brenza, Jacob Penn 17.25m 2.00

6 SP Filiano, Dom Dartmouth 16.93m 1.00

7 SP Brucker, Edward Harvard 16.83m

8 SP Tenpas, Ben Cornell 16.34m

9 SP Rushton, Scott Princeton 16.15m

10 SP Braun, Jesse Cornell 15.90m

11 SP Mattis, Sam Penn 15.59m

12 SP Miller, Matthew Brown 15.27m

1 TJ McLean, Damon Princeton 16.03m 10.00

2 TJ Scott, Dan Cornell 15.51m 8.00

3 TJ Owusu-Nyanteky, Nana Princeton 15.50m 6.00

4 TJ Bell, Steven Cornell 15.16m 4.00

5 TJ Thompson, Kenneth Brown 15.00m 1.50

5 TJ Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 15.00m 1.50

7 TJ Harris, Jarvis Harvard 14.80m

8 TJ Padmore, Jonathan Brown 14.76m

9 TJ Chew, Han Wei Cornell 14.59m

10 TJ Blair, Montez Cornell 14.24m

11 TJ Straughn, Nick Penn 14.13m

12 TJ Jett, Jordan Penn 13.98m

1 WT Rhodes, Bryan Cornell 18.62m 9.00

1 WT Glauser, Ben Harvard 18.62m 9.00

3 WT Dickerson, Duncan Columbia 18.15m 6.00

4 WT Levine, Michael Yale 17.96m 4.00

5 WT Brode, Dustin Harvard 17.94m 2.00

6 WT Mozia, Stephen Cornell 17.93m 1.00

7 WT Fiedler, Bob Cornell 17.70m

8 WT Polega, Matthew Harvard 17.17m

9 WT Servino, Thomas Dartmouth 16.79m

10 WT Filiano, Dom Dartmouth 16.42m

11 WT Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 16.18m

12 WT Brenza, Jacob Penn 15.79m

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NOW TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IMPOSSIBLE DOUBLES 400/500, 500/800, 800/1000, 800/MILE etc I projected who would drop from the top 12 to compete in a different event.

400m Remove Dinkins (PRI)

+3 Columbia

+2 Brown

+1 Cornell

-6 Princeton

500m Remove McFann (COL); Admirand (COR); Wade (COR);

+2 Penn

+1 Brown

-3 Columbia

800m Remove Dinkins (PRI); Callahan (PRI); Claflin (COL); Paternostro (PRI); Wade (COR)

+6 Cornell

+2 Columbia

+1 Dartmouth

-9 Princeton

1000m Remove Admirand (COR); Fish (COL)

NO CHANGE

MILE Remove Williams (PRI); Jones (COL); Schilkowsky (COR)

NO CHANGE

3000m

NO CHANGE

5000m Remove Bleday (DAR)

NO CHANGE

Total Change to virtual scores based on removing athletes for impossible doubles

+7 Cornell

+3 Brown

+2 Penn

+2 Columbia

+1 Dartmouth

-15 Princeton

THUS...

178 Princeton

123.5 Cornell

71 Harvard

52 Columbia

36.5 Brown

17 Penn

12 Dartmouth

6 Yale

(Not counting relays of course)

Tigerfan wrote:

There is no conversion from oversized to banks they are classified together.

Hmm... ok, if they say so. Thanks for the correction/clarification.

The Princeton heptathlon results are up on TFRRS, with converted values. But Princeton Michael Franklin's 3k PR is still not included. Oh well.

I do find this process weirdly fascinating. The weekend must have helped some, but (if my count is correct) I notice that Cornell *still* has 25 men with top-6 marks in individual events, and another 8 (total 33!) in the 7-10 positions. So where do you fit your relayists?

Of course, it's easier and harder than that. If you have a 7-10 performer whose mark came a month--or two--back, and you don't have any particular reason to think he's likely to better it now, taking him off the Heps roster might be a (fairly) easy call. And people get sick and hurt.

But not all teams and individuals have competed widely this year, compared to years past; and anyway, how do you factor in people who might be competing in events (multis and 5,000m are always prime candidates) for the first time at Heps? Princeton, at least, has some top distance men without a 5,000 time.

The mile (both sexes) seems to pose one of the toughest problems. Do you enter someone who has a very good chance of making the ten-runner final, but almost no shot of scoring? Or would it be better to keep that athlete fresh for relay duty, rather than tiring him/her out with two miles that will basically be all out?

Still, it must be a nice problem to have: what potential scorers do you leave off your Heps squad? Squads with fewer contenders can afford to have some "sentimental" picks compete at Heps; the ones with an actual chance of winning the team title, not so much. (Unless the team has a few superstar performers, as with the bruited run-'em-to-death scenario for the Dartmouth women last year.)

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Regardless of all that, I agree with C/M: Looks like four women's teams are in with a chance to win. It could very well go down to the relays this year, and those have been lightly contested, especially the 4x8: Harvard, with no time so far, could readily put together a squad capable of eclipsing the current League-leading time (8:50)!

But then, so could several others...

thought, Princeton has a potential shot to sweep the oval events

0400m | Hopkins | PR 46.23 clear #1

0500m | Hollimon | 400m PR 46.47 (Never ran the 500 but the 500 times aren't too intimidating)

0800m | Dinkins | PR 1:48.14 (ran 2 years ago) (This would be the hardest one have to go up against McFann PR 1:48.14

1000m | Callahan | PR 2:20.78 (would have to double with the mile)

1609m | Callahan | PR 3:58.76 main competition (Wade, Everett, Feigen)

3000m | Vitez -or- Franklin | PRs are only 5 sec slower than Bleday

5000m | Bendtsen -or- Arroyo Yamin -or- Udland | Only competition is Leakos maybe Murphy/Royer

Williams and Paternostro could assist in the 800/1000 if Dinkins and Callahan fail

again this is if all of Princeton has a best day and some other guys have an off day. Its just cool to see the depth that Princeton can spread across from 400 to 5K

In indoor HEPS history this has only happened twice (2011 Princeton, 1974 Navy) However neither team was able to sweep the oval relays as well

2011 PRINCETON:

400m Austin Hollimon, Princeton

500m Mike Eddy, Princeton

800m Russell Dinkins, Princeton

MILE Mark Amirault, Princeton

3000m Donn Cabral, Princeton

5000m Donn Cabral, Princeton

4x400 Princeton

DMR Princeton

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4x800 Columbia

1974 NAVY:

600y Bradley Stephan, Navy

1000y Dale Bateman, Navy

MILE James Kramer, Navy

2 MILE Steven Gilmore, Navy

4x400 Navy

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4x800 Cornell

[quote]BRF wrote:

Okay, last women's projection (by me) from the TFRRS site. I pulled the top six marks in each event off the Ivy performance list, scored them 10-8-6-4-2-1, and totalled them. Again, I'm following the basic format that "da coach" used.

Caveats:

*I went with the marks on the list. I believe all meet results from this weekend (and earlier) are on the list; but if not, they're not in this total.

*I may have screwed up the arithmetic, though I was trying to check as I went. I won't check it again.

*I'm only listing whole numbers. Half the teams actually get fractions after the whole number.

*I paid no attention to whether someone (*cough* Lavin *cough*) was still on the roster, or to whether doubles or triples were likely/unlikely/impossible (*ahem* Sorna).

*I also didn't speculate on relay times; a majority of the relay squads haven't yet shown anything like the kinds of performances we can expect at Heps.

*The numbers listed are for entertainment only and do not constitute a prediction. Brief commentary follows them.

Women's events minus relays and pentathlon

Cornell 108, Harvard 93, Princeton 89, Columbia 75, Dartmouth 33, Penn 17, Brown 14, Yale 3

Women's events with relays, minus pentathlon

Cornell 120, Princeton 103, Harvard 101, Columbia 89, Dartmouth 40, Penn 18, Brown 14, Yale 9

Women's events with pentathlon, minus relays

Cornell 116, Harvard 107, Princeton 89, Columbia 75, Dartmouth 41, Penn 18, Brown 14, Yale 3

All women's events

Cornell 128, Harvard 115, Princeton 103, Columbia 89, Dartmouth 48, Penn 19, Brown 14, Yale 9

Commentary:

*The best guide with the marks currently listed would probably be the scores with pentathlon (which has been pretty well contested this year) and without relays (which have not).

*Columbia still has the "youngest" season and is improving by leaps and bounds (sorry, pun unintended). Their marks are obviously the most current/reliable and I expect them to be in the top three--to be honest, contending for the win through the relays.

*Cornell, with a few atypical holes (a couple years back, they scored in every single event at Heps), is bound to take a hit in its projected mile/3k/5k scores (47 points!), but is also capable of scoring more than its 12 projected relays points. A few of its best marks are from back in December.

*If Princeton is truly without Lavin at Heps, the loss of those 19 December points will be terribly hard to make up--but they can score substantially more in the distances than projected, and

*Harvard probably hopes that they will! (In fact, the Cantabs would probably root for AD'Ag to run the mile/3k/5k.) Many of Harvard's top marks are recent, so, to repeat an earlier comment: "[Harvard's] talent level is just too great; split up the longer-distance points among Cornell, Dartmouth, and Princeton, and Harvard can win."

In fact, for the first time in many moons, I'd have to say that Harvard is the Heps favorite--and Cornell/Columbia/Princeton (in that order) are slight underdogs.

Whether Abbey does one race, two, or three (relay duty?), Dartmouth is certainly the pick of the second-half schools, but I expect Brown, Penn, and Yaleall to exceed the current projections--particularly Brown (not many meets yet) and Penn.

Whew. That's it for this season--no points update likely after this coming weekend, but I might note any interesting performances and trends.

I did a comparison of the top 50 finishers from both the men and women HEPS XC races and the TFRRS rankings from 800 to 5k (looked at top 50 in each event), as I was curious on which distance names have not yet run this season. I'm mainly interested in the potential point scorers for the longer distance events.

Feel free to correct this list, but this is what I found. I essentially think that the current "no indoor races" who placed in the top 20 at XC could make an impact in the 3k or 5k. Thoughts?:

Men (with HEPS XC finish and time) -

2. Alejandro Arroyo Yamin (Princeton), 23:48.1

10. Matt Nussbaum (Yale), 24:05.0

11. Max Groves (Cornell), 24:06.1

14. Matt McDonald (Princeton), 24:13.0

17. Steve Mangan (Dartmouth), 24:14.8

18. Ben Veillieux (Columbia), 24:16.0

20. Matt McCullough (Cornell), 24:17.5

25. Ben Golestan (Columbia), 24:27.6

31. Kurt Ruegg (Harvard), 24:35.3

32. Conor Grogan (Brown), 24:38.5

35. Alexander Conner (Yale), 24:42.1

38. Billy Gaudreau (Harvard), 24:48.3

39. Michael Kiley (Penn), 24:49.3

43. Brandon Clark (Penn), 24:52.3

45. Silas Talbot (Dartmouth), 24:56.8

47. Brian Masterson (Dartmouth), 24:57.6

49. Brendan Boyle (Brown), 24:59.0

Women (with HEPS XC finish and time) -

4. Heidi Caldwell (Brown), 20:36.5

7. Margaret Connelly (Brown), 20:44.3

11. Liana Epstein (Yale), 20:53.5

25. Clare Buck (Columbia), 21:14.5

26. Leila Mantilla (Columbia), 21:16.3

36. Kelsey Karys (Cornell), 21:42.8

40. Bori Torser (Cornell), 21:48.8

41. Leah Eickhoff (Brown), 21:50.0

44. Marianne Collard (Cornell), 21:52.5

46. Isabel Amend (Yale), 21:54.8

C/M, I only follow the Cornell folks: McCullough, Groves, and Tozser all *have* run this season, though without particular distinction.

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Anyway, I decided to put together a TFFRS-based analysis for the men as well--all the same caveats applying:

Men's events minus relays and heptathlon

Cornell 154, Princeton 86, Harvard 73, Columbia 58, Brown 34, Penn 31, Yale 15, Dartmouth 13

Men's events with relays, minus heptathlon

Cornell 176, Princeton 108, Columbia 80, Harvard 74, Penn 41, Brown 38, Yale 26, Dartmouth 14

Men's events with heptathlon, minus relays

Cornell 159, Princeton 106, Harvard 73, Columbia 58, Brown 40, Penn 31, Yale 15, Dartmouth 13

All men's events

Cornell 181, Princeton 128, Columbia 80, Harvard 74, Brown 44, Penn 41, Yale 26, Dartmouth 14

Comments:

*As for the women, the best guide with the marks currently listed would probably be the scores with multi--which has been pretty well contested this season, though Hopkins is still a slight question mark there--and without relays.

*While the last weekend before Heps is typically minimally contested (at least by likely Heps-meet athletes), this coming weekend may be truly important for gauging some lightly-competed teams (e.g. Brown, Columbia) and individuals (several Princetonians): have they been holding back, or are they just unavailable (for whatever reasons)?

*Columbia is a strong list presence in the 800/1,000 and 5,000, but shows nothing in the mile/3,000; Princeton is very strong in the 3,000 but shows no points in the 1,000/mile and 5,000 (or 500). It's reasonable that both will likely fill in those gaps, and that Cornell (e.g. now with 16 points in the mile) will lose some; so Cornell's current advantage in individual running events (78 points to Columbia's 58 and Princeton's 51) could be completely negated.

*Yet Cornell, with excellent balance, still comes out of this analysis better than I frankly had anticipated. They currently have at least one top-six mark in every single event, and notably project double-digit scoring in five of six field events, where scoring tends to be less volatile.

*That said, however, a few of Cornell's top marks (as for their women) date from several weeks back, or even December.

*Relays are currently a push, with Columbia, Cornell, and Princeton all projecting at 22 points. The current standings in the relays, especially the two longer races, should be completely upset at Heps, where I expect the three races, including the last Heps 4x800(?), to be critical events--and savagely contested.

*Columbia's 0 (yes, zero points) in field events/heptathlon takes them right out of contention for the team title, and opens the door for a top-three finish for Harvard, based on its field strength. The home crowd (and a ton of support from the Princeton men at the throwing venue!) may push Harvard through that opening.

*With continued progress by Harvard, and any substantial field presence from Columbia, this could be a four-team meet as early as next year. Right now, however, it's 2+2 (but also be alert to Brown and Penn, both with potential for better-than-expected scoring).

*I really want to be a double chicken and beg out of predictions: Cornell would seem to have a reasonable edge going into Heps, but (as fun.'s analyses have shown) Princeton just has such enormous soring potential; and Columbia (particularly with more track points likely to come) has an edge over Harvard--but the Crimson have that home and field advantage, and should pick up points in the relays.

But if I'm forced to predict (remembering that my record on such predictions is notably poor), I'll go with Cornell for the narrowest of wins and Harvard (ditto) for third. I reserve the right to change those, based on this coming weekend!

BRF wrote:

C/M, I only follow the Cornell folks: McCullough, Groves, and Tozser all *have* run this season, though without particular distinction.

Ok, thanks for that info. I didn't see them in the TFRRS listings, but I trust your word. :-) No word on Karys?

So the updated "no indoor marks" are the following:

Men (with HEPS XC finish and time) -

2. Alejandro Arroyo Yamin (Princeton), 23:48.1

10. Matt Nussbaum (Yale), 24:05.0

14. Matt McDonald (Princeton), 24:13.0

17. Steve Mangan (Dartmouth), 24:14.8

18. Ben Veillieux (Columbia), 24:16.0

25. Ben Golestan (Columbia), 24:27.6

31. Kurt Ruegg (Harvard), 24:35.3

32. Conor Grogan (Brown), 24:38.5

35. Alexander Conner (Yale), 24:42.1

38. Billy Gaudreau (Harvard), 24:48.3

39. Michael Kiley (Penn), 24:49.3

43. Brandon Clark (Penn), 24:52.3

45. Silas Talbot (Dartmouth), 24:56.8

47. Brian Masterson (Dartmouth), 24:57.6

49. Brendan Boyle (Brown), 24:59.0

Women (with HEPS XC finish and time) -

4. Heidi Caldwell (Brown), 20:36.5

7. Margaret Connelly (Brown), 20:44.3

11. Liana Epstein (Yale), 20:53.5

25. Clare Buck (Columbia), 21:14.5

26. Leila Mantilla (Columbia), 21:16.3

36. Kelsey Karys (Cornell), 21:42.8

41. Leah Eickhoff (Brown), 21:50.0

44. Marianne Collard (Cornell), 21:52.5

46. Isabel Amend (Yale), 21:54.8

And BRF, as much as I love my Crimson and smile at your predictions about Harvard doing so well due to home-field advantage, I don't know if that will be enough for Harvard to gain the edge in the 3rd/4th place battle. The Harvard men are definitely the strongest field contingent right now (with Cornell being 2nd, Princeton 3rd) and I don't know how strong the Crimson runners are in order to do any damage in the distance or relays (i.e. doubling).

BRF wrote:

C/M, I only follow the Cornell folks: McCullough, Groves, and Tozser all *have* run this season, though without particular distinction.

Max Groves has an 8:18 in the 3k, which is a top-25 mark.

Ithacan wrote:

Max Groves has an 8:18 in the 3k, which is a top-25 mark.

...and "worth" about an 8:58 two-mile--not bad!

Last word I got--weeks ago--was that Columbia, Harvard, and Yale would not be competing at all this coming weekend. Anyone know whether that's still true? There've been a lot of schedule changes over the course of the season...

To my knowledge, Harvard is NOT competing this upcoming weekend. Yale and Columbia's schedule also reflect that.

Princeton has their annual Princeton Invitational on Saturday. Looks like some Penn runners will head there as well, while the others are heading up to the Armory for the Millrose Games.

Cornell is hosting their own Denault Invitational.

Brown and Dartmouth are scheduled to be at the USATF NE Championship meet (being held at Harvard). Brown also has a "Boston University Fast Meet" for tomorrow afternoon (4pm) (the only other team that I could find that has the same meet on their schedule is Northeastern - I do not see it listed on DirectAthletics)

Found a Millrose release that says the following:

Two Ivy teams — Columbia and Penn — will be running in the Byron Dyce 4x800m relay. The hometown Lions, with Connor Claflin, Mark Feigen, Brendon Fish and Harry McFann, will be up for the challenge with Penn State and its superstar Casimir Loxsom. Penn’s young lineup is Mato Bekelja, Tim Hamlett, Kirk Webb and Tom Timmins.

Ivyguy wrote:

Ithacan wrote:

Max Groves has an 8:18 in the 3k, which is a top-25 mark.

...and "worth" about an 8:58 two-mile--not bad!

I think that conversion is correct--years back, the T&FN folks said you could find your equivalent two-mile time by taking 107.9% (IIRC) of your 3,000m time.

BITD the criterion for "excellent distance man" was a two-mile run under nine minutes, so props to Mr. Groves. I believe he may have first come to the Cornell program as a walk-on.