So what exactly do you want? Do you want the NCAA to tell the kid he can't use the private jet because no one provided this other person with one? Create equity by holding everyone down?
So what exactly do you want? Do you want the NCAA to tell the kid he can't use the private jet because no one provided this other person with one? Create equity by holding everyone down?
westie wrote:
wrong. Lydens and her coach looked into multiple options, doing everything short of finding a private jet. It's simply not a feasible trip to make on commercial airlines. I respect Miles' decision and it's great he can do both, but saying that she didn't want to or didn't try is completely inaccurate.
"Everything short of finding a private jet"- Well, and I'm just throwing out ideas here, perhaps they shouldn't have done everything besides finding a private jet, and just found one? Maybe she's not smart enough for the Rhodes. And angry responses.....now
westie wrote:
wrong. Lydens and her coach looked into multiple options, doing everything short of finding a private jet. It's simply not a feasible trip to make on commercial airlines. I respect Miles' decision and it's great he can do both, but saying that she didn't want to or didn't try is completely inaccurate.
Well, seeing as how DIII West regionals were on 11/10 (Saturday) and Rachel Schreiber of Pacific was told she would go as an individual either that day or the day after (the news was released 11/11 (Sunday)
http://www.goboxers.com/news/2012/11/11/CROSS_1111123726.aspx, it seems pretty obvious to me that Lydens immediately told the NCAA she wouldn't be going. Maybe she wants the Rhodes more? Or maybe she's not as confident, considering she got 7th in her region compared to 1st the years before?
Pomona, craptown U? Really? Consistent top 5 liberal arts college. Nice work, genius.
Oh, apparently she's injured and said she would pick the Rhodes interview over nationals the very day of the race.
Saw this link in a previous thread about the Rhodes:
http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/wxc/2012-13/releases/20121110kqf78u
Makes sense now why she might not want to try and do both.
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Stanford actually makes huge money for the NCAA. D3 Annies school (Craptown University) makes zero. What doesn't make sense to you?
By this logic you would look to the specific sport. Stanford XC does not make $ for anybody.
A private jet is $3k/hour. It is 4hrs on a slower private plane. So probably at least $20k all in, as you have to pay for the plane to return to wherever it began the journey.
This is a mind boggling perq that would only accrue to the most financially elite.
To suggest the DIII athlete did not exhaust all possibilities is to confirm that you are in fact an elitist douchebag.
Ignorant8 wrote:
"Everything short of finding a private jet"- Well, and I'm just throwing out ideas here, perhaps they shouldn't have done everything besides finding a private jet, and just found one?
that is like the Steve Martin line, "how to be a millionaire"
Step 1 - get a million dollars.
Ignorant8 wrote:
2) He's straight up better than her. In D1, you have absolutely no idea who this girl is. At her best, she's a top 100, MAYBE top 75 girl in the country. Miles is much better than that.
On all accounts, Miles wins. He picked the better choice to receive support, and is comparatively a better athlete, and is competing for a team. Easy to see why he gets the plane and she doesn't.
So placing at 100 she would have no value in D1? At 100 she would have been the 5th runner for Oregon, Iowa State, West Virginia, New Mexico, AND Stanford's last year...5 of the top 10 teams in the nation...and she would have been the 6th runner for the top 3 teams. Had she been Stanford's #5, they would have jumped from the 10th place team to 5th, just ahead of Oregon.
Think before you make stupid comments about how irrelevant someone is. You don't have to be a superstar to make an big impact for a team.
westie wrote:
wrong. Lydens and her coach looked into multiple options, doing everything short of finding a private jet. It's simply not a feasible trip to make on commercial airlines. I respect Miles' decision and it's great he can do both, but saying that she didn't want to or didn't try is completely inaccurate.
wow, how hard Lydens tried when she said minutes post-race that she wouldn't go to nats. Nobody's going to get a private jet for someone who hasn't qualified yet. She should have intensely sought help post-regionals, imo. Maybe someone generous could have stepped in if she didn't give up her spot so soon. who knows?
Lyndon LaRouche wrote:
A private jet is $3k/hour. It is 4hrs on a slower private plane. So probably at least $20k all in, as you have to pay for the plane to return to wherever it began the journey.
This is a mind boggling perq that would only accrue to the most financially elite.
To suggest the DIII athlete did not exhaust all possibilities is to confirm that you are in fact an elitist douchebag.
no way is a private jet that much. I'm sure its a few thousand, but not 20k! People in Alaska, where there are fewer roads take private jets places all the time and it doesn't break the bank. I can see it being considerably more expensive in the lower 48, but not the equivalent of 2 years of college for one flight!
clevelander wrote:
wow, how hard Lydens tried when she said minutes post-race that she wouldn't go to nats. Nobody's going to get a private jet for someone who hasn't qualified yet. She should have intensely sought help post-regionals, imo. Maybe someone generous could have stepped in if she didn't give up her spot so soon. who knows?
She could have assumed she was going to qualify and done all she could, before the regional meet, to find a way to do both.
QTPi wrote:
clevelander wrote:wow, how hard Lydens tried when she said minutes post-race that she wouldn't go to nats. Nobody's going to get a private jet for someone who hasn't qualified yet. She should have intensely sought help post-regionals, imo. Maybe someone generous could have stepped in if she didn't give up her spot so soon. who knows?
She could have assumed she was going to qualify and done all she could, before the regional meet, to find a way to do both.
I don't believe that. why give up then when the story gets good and you actually qualify. That's when all the news about unterreiner came out, and probably when a donor stepped in to solve his dilemma.
Lyndon LaRouche wrote:
A private jet is $3k/hour. It is 4hrs on a slower private plane. So probably at least $20k all in, as you have to pay for the plane to return to wherever it began the journey.
This is a mind boggling perq that would only accrue to the most financially elite.
To suggest the DIII athlete did not exhaust all possibilities is to confirm that you are in fact an elitist douchebag.
hjmhjkjvyvj wrote:
no way is a private jet that much. I'm sure its a few thousand, but not 20k! People in Alaska, where there are fewer roads take private jets places all the time and it doesn't break the bank. I can see it being considerably more expensive in the lower 48, but not the equivalent of 2 years of college for one flight!
The planes they fly in Alaska go max 200mph. It would take +12hrs to get there.
A private jet is f#$ing expensive. $2k/hr is the rack rate. She needs to fly +2000 miles, so to get there in 4hrs, you have to pay the real rate for a private jet....which is $2k/hr MINIMUM. Google it...
too bad Pomona Pitzer couldn't help her out. Check out their endowment: $113,730,534, that's according to
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/pitzer-college-1172
one would think PP would want to help her out, but apparently not. I personally know Lydens and the coaching staff at PP--it's a damn shame she can't figure out how to do both. Did you know she was runner-up in the 5,000m at the 2011 D-3 Track and Field Championships? She's an incredible runner, who has struggled through injuries the past 9-10 months and has done a great job this season considering those injuries. Also, for her to finish 7th this year in a region that grew in talent and depth is legit--especially considering she barely ran last spring!
She goes to Pomona, not Pitzer. The Pomona endowment is 1.7 billion. Pitzer's is the 113million figure. They combine forces for athletics.
hjmhjkjvyvj wrote:
no way is a private jet that much. I'm sure its a few thousand, but not 20k! People in Alaska, where there are fewer roads take private jets places all the time and it doesn't break the bank. I can see it being considerably more expensive in the lower 48, but not the equivalent of 2 years of college for one flight!
I think most of what they fly in Alaska are prop planes or turbines, not jets.
Stanford’s administration actively pursues national championships, NACDA Director’s Cup awards (19 straight years), and nation-wide recognition for athletic achievements. They want to win, plain and simple. Read the media article on the Stanford runner: they had a university development officer who worked to get a donation of a private jet for their athlete. They probably did so half for the athlete’s sake, and half for knowing it would make the news and bring more attention to Stanford. Both aims were achieved.
Pomona’s administration is happy when something good happens to sports teams or individuals, but makes no concerted effort to pursue athletic success. No effort at all., not even in recruiting. Pomona is in no way aiming to be in the national, regional, or even local eye for sports. They want the student athlete to have a good experience, period.
So the notion of Pomona College chartering a private jet for one of its students to be able to do two things at once is ludicrous. In fact, Pomona officials would probably argue that it’s a better educational experience to have the student think through the dilemma and decide which event they’d rather do, instead of fostering the notion that you can have, and do, it all.
comparison wrote:
Stanford’s administration actively pursues national championships, NACDA Director’s Cup awards (19 straight years), and nation-wide recognition for athletic achievements. They want to win, plain and simple. Read the media article on the Stanford runner: they had a university development officer who worked to get a donation of a private jet for their athlete. They probably did so half for the athlete’s sake, and half for knowing it would make the news and bring more attention to Stanford. Both aims were achieved.
Pomona’s administration is happy when something good happens to sports teams or individuals, but makes no concerted effort to pursue athletic success. No effort at all., not even in recruiting. Pomona is in no way aiming to be in the national, regional, or even local eye for sports. They want the student athlete to have a good experience, period.
So the notion of Pomona College chartering a private jet for one of its students to be able to do two things at once is ludicrous. In fact, Pomona officials would probably argue that it’s a better educational experience to have the student think through the dilemma and decide which event they’d rather do, instead of fostering the notion that you can have, and do, it all.
amen. EOT.
Can we discuss how dumb it is that a sports related award is awarded right in the middle of championship sports season?