look at these splits and tell me this course is not downhill the 2nd half of the race i mean come on some guy ran 16:17 and came back in 14:14 are you kidding me?
look at these splits and tell me this course is not downhill the 2nd half of the race i mean come on some guy ran 16:17 and came back in 14:14 are you kidding me?
Who in the race are you talking about. The winner ran 29:57, which does not add up to the splits you are spewing out of your mouth (really fingers). The only one that ran close to the 30:31 your splits add up to are Josiah Swanson (30:30), or Paul Yak (30:33). I am sure that Yak didn't do those splits as his team mate won, even though he is very good as he beat his teammate by 30 seconds two weeks ago and must have had an off day. So I would assume that you are talking about the other guy. Who looking at his profile does not fit the mold of a guy that can do those splits.
Also, where did you get those splits? Because as I already stated those can only go do two guys in the field.
This is totally unrelated, but I don't follow D2 as closely as D1 or D3. Did they really have a regional race in Hawaii? If so, I'm surprised the committee agreed to let everyone travel that far.
The splits come from the results that were emailed out to the coaches and SIDs from participating schools. There was a timing mat at the supposed 5k, but I don't think there's anyway it was accurate. My men's team raced, and although they ran well and negative split the course, I'm not sure if they ran huge 5k PRs the second half.
There was MUCH more wrong with the meet then just the splits. Nothing about it felt like a NCAA Regional meet.
usakenyan wrote:
look at these splits and tell me this course is not downhill the 2nd half of the race i mean come on some guy ran 16:17 and came back in 14:14 are you kidding me?
Couldn't agree more. Bullshit. Course is notoriously short.
The course is two 5k loops, timing mat got effed up. The course is about 40 meters short for the first loop and another 40-50 short going into the finish. add 15ish seconds on to everyone's time. BTW I think I saw Yak puking around 1 mile. No idea what was going on with him
SoMO wrote:
The course is two 5k loops, timing mat got effed up. The course is about 40 meters short for the first loop and another 40-50 short going into the finish. add 15ish seconds on to everyone's time. BTW I think I saw Yak puking around 1 mile. No idea what was going on with him
Still don't buy it...winner ran 29:57...10k OUTDOOR TRACK pr of 32min by TFRRS.
#1 Grass is not faster than a track
#2 Switchbacks (which there are supposedly a lot on this course) slow you down even more
#3 Add somewhere between 30-60 seconds for what somebody would run on a track
#4 Add another 30 seconds for grass
This gives you somewhere between 31:00-31:30...more realistic for XC DII. To put it in perspective, last year at NCAA DI XCs, this time would have beaten Eric Fernandez, Trevor Dunbar, Tom Farrel, and Hassan Mead on a fairly fast course. Even with your 15 seconds, he would have been with kevin schwab and andy bayer...doubt it. MOSO needs to learn that making courses like this year after year and still claiming they are legit "10k/8k/5ks" makes them look silly.
* when I say, "this time" im referring to the 29:57.
You are good at referencing people and their times by using TFFRS.... but you apparently aren't very bright. Click on his 10k time, and you'll notice it was the only one he has done in his entire career and it was a conference champ race... Hell, I don't know the kid, but he looked like he was flying.
Take it for what it is worth, a CROSS COUNTRY RACE. If you are that worried about times and splits, go organize a cross country race on a track. Sheesh
minot ftw wrote:
Paul Yak is not capable of negative splitting to that degree, he's more of a grinder. Josiah Swanson, on the other hand, can kick, as people found out today when he passed like 30 runners over the second 5k. I could see him laying down that split. By the way, Ryan Evans smells like he just got back from a Phish concert. Does he ever wash those dreads?
What's with all the hate, minot? Jealous Augustana took you behind the woodshed again? Ryan is a good guy, catch him a break.
Not to change the subject, but how hot is Annie Pfeifle?
Paul Yak is not capable of negative splitting to that degree, he's more of a grinder. Josiah Swanson, on the other hand, can kick, as people found out today when he passed like 30 runners over the second 5k. I could see him laying down that split. By the way, Ryan Evans smells like he just got back from a Phish concert. Does he ever wash those dreads?
Hijacker wrote:
This is totally unrelated, but I don't follow D2 as closely as D1 or D3. Did they really have a regional race in Hawaii? If so, I'm surprised the committee agreed to let everyone travel that far.
Yes, I competed in it today and it was fantastic. I would vote to have it in Hawaii every year, but I'm clearly biased.
SoMO wrote:
The course is two 5k loops, timing mat got effed up. The course is about 40 meters short for the first loop and another 40-50 short going into the finish. add 15ish seconds on to everyone's time. BTW I think I saw Yak puking around 1 mile. No idea what was going on with him
So you are saying Yak puked?
Adam Boothe wrote:
The splits come from the results that were emailed out to the coaches and SIDs from participating schools. There was a timing mat at the supposed 5k, but I don't think there's anyway it was accurate. My men's team raced, and although they ran well and negative split the course, I'm not sure if they ran huge 5k PRs the second half.
There was MUCH more wrong with the meet then just the splits. Nothing about it felt like a NCAA Regional meet.
THAN the splits, not then the splits
Here is the link to results with the splits.
http://branchsportstech.com/2012_Meets/xc/11-3-NCAAD2Regional/Day1.htm
Course is definitely short.
Josiah Swanson could close a 30:30 in 14:10 are you kidding me? He has a 5k pr of 14:4x. What the hell is wrong with you?
According to those results, Swanson improved 33 places over the second half, so obviously he can close like a boss. You are wrong.
SoMO wrote:
You are good at referencing people and their times by using TFFRS.... but you apparently aren't very bright. Click on his 10k time, and you'll notice it was the only one he has done in his entire career and it was a conference champ race... Hell, I don't know the kid, but he looked like he was flying.
Take it for what it is worth, a CROSS COUNTRY RACE. If you are that worried about times and splits, go organize a cross country race on a track. Sheesh
Nope, actually pretty bright. Notice I didn't say "add 2 minutes, then add 30 seconds for grass". I said add 30-60 seconds for what he could run on a track (which is right on par with what he could do based on his other times). So check yourself before you wreck yourself.
I actually agree with u that the time is irrelevant, just get tired of soooooo many people going to MOSO and thinking its legit, especially the high school races. And then hs kids don't understand why college coaches don't give a sh*t when they run 15:30 there. I'm just saying, don't put 5k/8k/10k in the results. Follow the SEC conference champs lead, and put the ACTUAL distance, or no distance at all.
Doesn't change the fact that he didn't close a 5k in 14:14. Maybe 4900m; but that's probably generous.
If you were there you would have noticed that the timing mat would be smack dab in the middle of the start area for the true 5k so it was moved just to the left of that to be out of the way. This made the 2nd half (according to the results) a lot shorter so the 5k splits on the results are off. Regardless of distance, it's a championship race and it's cross country and not track so distance/times are irrelevant as long as the distance is reasonably close. And if a college coach is recruiting based on times from one particular race in cross country that falls toward the front half of the runner's racing season, he/she probably isn't the best recruiter