Bolt's not on drugs, he's always been great (with videos when he was young)

You didn't show the real ticking bomb. This is going back to when Bolt was younger and didn't have to dope because he was always great:

Here's the result for the 200 from the 2007 World Championships, ONE YEAR before those amazing results in Beijing:

Championship finals: 19.91 to 19.30 in ONE YEAR. Why? You know the answer.

Hey don't forget Nikel Ashmeade he trains with Tyson Gay and he's another of our cheating Jamaican, he ran 9.93 and is also sub-20 in 200m.

I'm offended that you could miss another of our obvious dopers. Its ok though he trains in the US so he's allowed to be fast.

Friggin idiots!

The Jamaicans are dirty, not in court, but if youre a runner and think that's a clean performance I have a story about a magical bunny that delivers candy and painted eggs to millions of kids every year that I'd like to tell you.

Growth Hormone stops injuries wrote:

Its not odd that Bolt came along. Not at all.

Its odd that Powell, Blake, Carter, VCB, SAFP, Kerron Stewart, Simpson all came along at the same time as Bolt and set huge PR's all within a few years +- of Beijing and are now trying to back off like they aren't doped.

It's not odd that Ritz broke 13 and Pierce broke 4. Not at all.

It's odd that Teg, Solinsky, Rupp, Jager, Farah, Rowbury, Barringer, Wurth-Thomas set huge PR's all starting in 2009.

Thats right, when the argument isn't going your way blame others and name call.

sarms , and more sarms ,with capital letters baby

he could of been doping when 16/17 in 2003/2004

same year as liu xiang first broke 13 seconds

i hope that is 2003 ,

then they took it away from him till he was mature enough

to handle drugs responsibly .

tooshort wrote:

Hey don't forget Nikel Ashmeade he trains with Tyson Gay and he's another of our cheating Jamaican, he ran 9.93 and is also sub-20 in 200m.

I'm offended that you could miss another of our obvious dopers. Its ok though he trains in the US so he's allowed to be fast.

Friggin idiots!

So you're saying unequivocally that Jamaicans are clean?

DID I MENTION SARMS .

Carl lewis was quite tall and doped to gills aswell.

so hardly a natural setting ,

next fastest and tallest being another jamican powell

think thats it ,to be tall and run under 10

any others .lemaitre , i am seeing a trend here .

Churandy Martina, there... no sign of dope from him

I for one am sick of all the sceptics on this site.Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. The current Jamaican crop, could be the result of a well structured development program starting at a young age, which is a further example of the retention of potential. In regards to the matter of Yohan Blake, success breeds success,in training alongside Bolt and was obviously naturally talented to begin with given by his results at Jamaican Champs. The Jamaican sprint squads allow room for development throughout the various tiers, allowing individuals to progress through the levels as seen in both Mills' and Francis'.

I don't think we can assume drug usage on the basis of the 200m, The 200m leaves massive room for improvements, through development of speed endurance and technical aspects such as the curve, the speed was already there as seen in the likes of Bolt,Blake,Weir,Young,etc. Training within a quality group, is obviously going to inspire and promote improved performances.Through development of the back end of their races, they have improved significantly over the distance.

I think bolt's 19.91 performance should be taken with a pinch of salt when considering his performance spike. He would have been on a planned training cycle, to specifically unload for the Olympics. We don't know the training loads in between this that lead to subsequent peaks and troughs

.A correlation can be made between his focus upon the 100m and his improvements in the 200m.So no,I don't think we can go around saying Bolt is "juiced to the Gills", which is thrown around inadvertently, him and his fellow Jamaicans are innocent until proven guilty.

This site is full of pathetic little boys trying to justify their pathetic existence.

Fact: Jamaica is dominating the sprints because US isn't doping as much as before. Live with it. Coming on a message board to whine won't change that.

Jamaicans just laugh at your RIDICULOUS and BASELESS accusations because your it really is out of your depth to understand that we're just better.

This message board won't change the fact that the mighty US is jealous of Jamaica.....and we laugh all day.

This isn't LETSRUN its LETSWHINE.

Emil C wrote:

Holy Christ we're still dragging up the "he was good when he young!" bullshit. EVERY elite athlete was good as a youngster, juiced or not. Hell, even Rashid Ramzi got a medal at the African Junior championships.

Bolt is a joke, dude is doped to the dorsals.

You have never even run track before have you? Are you that ignorant to say it is a fact that someone who has only improved a little over .7 in a 200m from 17 to 23 is 'obviously doping'. It is virtually impossible to find an athlete who hasn't improved significantly more than that within that age range. Are you really so ignorant to state that he merely hit 17 and stopped improving? Despite the fact he hadn't started weights and had terrible technique? Despite the fact that he was skin and bone? That ignorant...

Perhaps his 400m stalled at 15 when he ran 45.4...

How come people never accuse Tyson Gay? Take a look at his progression:

2011 9.79

2010 9.78

2009 9.69

2008 9.77

2007 9.84

2006 9.84

2005 10.08

2004 10.06

2002 10.27

2001 10.28

Ilemy--

We all know that the majority of guys near the top will do what it takes to get to the top. Yes, that includes Americans, too. That's why I've begun to concentrate only on the egregious examples of performance improvement.

Like I said before the race started, I thought that this year's 100m final was "clean", except for Blake--"clean" meaning nothing egregious. However, upon the running of the 9.63, I would add the 9.63 Bolt to the "unclean" list.

Take a look at all the competitors apart from B&B. They all ran believable times historically, but more to the point, they all ran those times while looking like they were really trying, so much so that they grip, lose form, risk injury. In order of finish:

Gatlin--same race he has always run. still doesn't know how to run at speed. maintained all his flaws

Gay--clenched hands. tight. choppier stride, was gripping trying to keep hold of Blake.

Bailey--no start. lumbering. same race he has been running.

Martina--good race, but barely broke 10, and finished 6th. nothing special shown, just consistent form.

Thompson--same race he has always run, only a step slower. didn't even break 10.00 adjusted

Powell--stumbled at the start because he tried too hard relative to his clean ability. couldn't make up for it using his normal, deeply-flawed high-speed high-knee technique

To be fair, G&G's times stretch credibility, but only by a few hundredths, and that could be due to the "track technology" in London.

You know how I feel about Blake, aka Johnson 4.0 Bolt was clean this year until his "medical treatment" and resultant miraculous recovery in 3-4 weeks from a struggling also-ran to an invincible champion.

Too bad. A few years back, there were some races being run that exemplified good, clean times, and I posted about them here. I held out hope this year for the final, but that hope was dashed. I would rather have seen a clean Bolt run 9.75-9.78, and Blake return a positive test to leave Bolt the clean Olympic champion, but that really was never an option, and Bolt knew it.

Plus, when people are talking about progressions, it is important to do 2 things: 1) adjust for wind/altitude, and 2) throw out the times that are suspect, like Carter's 9.78, Mullings 9.80, Rodgers 9.85, Gay's 9.79, and Blake's 19.26, for starters. It's funny, even to me, that I suspect not only meets in places like Rieti (Italy being known for trickery, malfeasance, corruption, bribery), but also Lausanne (Switzerland being known for "timing"). Powell's 9.72 may have to be thrown out, too, in addition to his 9.74 and 9.78 from Rieti.

This makes some guys look particularly cleaner, notably Carter, Powell, Blake, and Gay. Suddenly it's not looking so bad for the Jamaicans.

What's most telling is the rapidity of the performance increases, even adjusting for those 2 things above. Bolt goes from an adjusted 9.91 that looked really hard, to an adjusted 9.70 that looked very smooth, in under a month. Really? Who else in the top of the men's 100m did that?

In order of finish:

Blake--9.80 to 9.82 (+.02)

Gatlin--9.89 to 9.86 (-.03)

Gay--9.95 to 9.87 (-.08)

Bailey--10.02 to 9.95 (-.07)

Martina--wasn't competing in 100m prior to Olympics

Thompson--10.03 to 10.05 (+0.2)

Powell--9.93 to oblivion (+ infinity)

The next-closest improvement to Bolt's unimaginable -0.21 is Gay's, at almost a third, -.08, which can be accounted for by the fact that he had not yet entered the land of diminishing returns in his abbreviated training for the year.

Next closest is Bailey, showing only one-third the improvement of Bolt.

Gatlin, Blake, and Thompson were about the same.

When looked at in this light, Bolt looks like he did a cycle the month before the Games. When that TOTALLY DISPROPORTIONATE performance improvement is combined with the knowledge that he was under the care of a physician (a person who has access to high-quality pharmaceuticals and with whom confidentiality attaches to communications made in furtherance of medical treatment), it REALLY looks like he did a cycle the month before the Games.

One wrinkle in this is that the guys who finished other than first in their trials (Gay, Bailey, Powell, Bolt) could be argued to not have been going as hard as they could have, and were just trying to make the team. This suggestion is contradicted by actually observing how they run in the races--in particular, Bolt looked as though he was trying to win, and said as much. It is also contradicted by the fact that Thompson finished second to Bledman, and showed no performance gain in the Games final, although it is arguable that that was because he eased up a bit when he realize he wasn't going to medal at the Games.

Ilemy, it's a shame that the Jamaicans pull this kind of stuff. Like I've said before, if everybody were clean, Bolt could still be the fastest guy around, maybe. What we know is that it would be a race, not like it is now. He would be in tight with Gatlin, Gay, Bailey, and Powell, and even Bailey--not to mention Blake, whose use I think is confined to the off-season.

Using his time from trials, he would have finished 4th, which in reality would be 3rd as Blake is juicing, and which would in a different reality be 2nd, as Gatlin has juiced and may still retain the benefits thereof.

This is the insidious nature of this: A golden Bolt is worth MILLIONS. A wooden Bolt is worth mere pennies.

There is no question in my mind that he did a high-quality cycle before the Games.

What makes you so sure Bolt wasn't cycling before his Trials? I look at that race and see a guy running through injury, probably to his back. Even if you're physically almost there, when you've got a lot of pain in your back it can be mentally impossible to exert 100% effort.

"I for one am sick of all the sceptics on this site. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty."

In the men's 100m, it went out the window with athletes like Ray Stewart, Dennis Mitchell, Linford Christie, Ben Johnson, Steve Mullings, Tim Montgomery, Justin Gatlin, Dwain Chambers, Desai Williams, etc.

Same goes for the women's 100m, with different names--Kelli White, Marion Jones, Zhanna Block, etc..

I would also like to point out that circumstantial evidence is valuable and can be compelling, and that assessment of the credibility of the athletes and those around them is of critical importance. Things like performance progression are absolutely relevant evidence on the issue of possible doping.

I'm not sure that Bolt wasn't cycling before trials--that belief is simply the effect of my giving the benefit of the doubt to athletes who run historically believable times.

He absolutely could have been a 10.2 guys at trials, who doped to run a 9.9--but the evidence for such juicing is, IMHO, far less compelling than the evidence for his juicing in the month before the Games.

Take Bolt out of the above considerations, and look at the spread among athletes:

Across all of them, excluding Powell, there was a spread of .25

Include Bolt, and that rises to .37, a 50% increase. That is outrageous.

Even more outrageous is when you consider the spread among the actual medal contenders, Blake to, say, Bailey, assuming that Martina and Thompson let off a bit because they knew they weren't in the hunt at the end--the spread was only 0.13

Include Bolt, and that rises to .25, a 100% increase. That is outrageous.

And all those figures are including Blake, who I'm convinced juices in the off-season!!!! Take him out, and Bolt looks even worse, when he doesn't have the statistical benefit of another juicer in the field. The spread then is only .21 without Bolt, .33 with, and among medal contenders is only .09 without Bolt, .21 with!

Include a time anywhere around Bolt's trials time, however, and the original figures remain. He would no longer be an outrageous statistical outlier.

Face it, he didn't just win, he CLEANED UP. It was no contest at all, same as in Beijing and Berlin. Why? Because everyone else in the race was basically clean except for Blake, and a juiced Blake isn't going to beat a juiced Bolt.