Bolt's not on drugs, he's always been great (with videos when he was young)

Marion Jones as a high school freshman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkJTcW5aZk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfzZ9Jsdgqs&feature=relmfu

Johnson was 28 when he ran 19.32. Gay was 27 when he ran 9.69 with a huge tailwind.

Bolt was 21 when he exceeded both of those times in one week into still wind and a headwind.

Bolt can do what he does only because he is on some kind of drug like growth hormone or something else.

If Bolt was like Johnson or Gay, he'd be 27 in a couple years and running 18.9 and 9.49. Thats just so much faster than anyone else has ever gone that it arouses suspicion.

Especially since he was 'injured' twice this year supposedly and still runs 9.63 and 19.32, then anchors in his 3rd fastest 4x100 split ever. All while 'injured' mere weeks ago.

is Bolt believable? Not to the educated eye.

Baby viciously attacked by Yorkie. Warning: Hard to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMuy5CIsxHI

Growth Hormone stops injuries wrote:

Johnson was 28 when he ran 19.32. Gay was 27 when he ran 9.69 with a huge tailwind.

Bolt was 21 when he exceeded both of those times in one week into still wind and a headwind.

Bolt can do what he does only because he is on some kind of drug like growth hormone or something else.

If Bolt was like Johnson or Gay, he'd be 27 in a couple years and running 18.9 and 9.49. Thats just so much faster than anyone else has ever gone that it arouses suspicion.

Especially since he was 'injured' twice this year supposedly and still runs 9.63 and 19.32, then anchors in his 3rd fastest 4x100 split ever. All while 'injured' mere weeks ago.

is Bolt believable? Not to the educated eye.

You mean to the envious eye.

The fact is Bolt isn't like Johnson or Gay. He is like Bolt. Athletes are not all the same in development.

Bolt has world class sprinting talent and 6ft5 height. Those two rare things have just never happened together before hence his far superior times.

All of this proves nothing. Everybody has a opinion, get used to it.

Was Blake almost as fast as a youngster? If not what is the explanation for him? (note that the Bolt is so tall theory also fails miserably when applied to 5'9" Blake).

asdfsadf wrote:

Was Blake almost as fast as a youngster? If not what is the explanation for him? (note that the Bolt is so tall theory also fails miserably when applied to 5'9" Blake).

No it doesn't, he's got slower times than Bolt and perhaps he sprints better. Put his ability in Bolt's frame and perhaps you get 18.8

However also account for the fact that these tracks are now spring loaded for sprinters. Atlanta Johnson runs 19 flat on this track.

Accusing anyone who takes the sport onwards of cheating is sore, churlish and tiresome. Just because North American sprinters are always found taking drugs doesn't mean the rest of the world are cheating to beat them.

asdfsadf wrote:

Was Blake almost as fast as a youngster? If not what is the explanation for him? (note that the Bolt is so tall theory also fails miserably when applied to 5'9" Blake).

I have no idea where Blake's breakthrough came from. This thread is about Bolt.

Holy Christ we're still dragging up the "he was good when he young!" bullshit. EVERY elite athlete was good as a youngster, juiced or not. Hell, even Rashid Ramzi got a medal at the African Junior championships.

Bolt is a joke, dude is doped to the dorsals.

Phil Fondacaro wrote:

Marion Jones as a high school freshman:

Yep, and she proves the point the OP was making -- that phenoms like her and Bolt are so good, they would simply never resort to using PEDs.

Bolt supporters like pointing out that he is 6'5" like it helps him.

It doesn't, it helps him ONLY if he can remain uninjured. Taller people are more likely to be injured running.

Frankly its a miracle Bolt isn't injured constantly. Every other 6'5" sprinter would have torn his hamstring in half by now or broken the bones in his feet so that he'd never be able to train hard again.

Not Bolt. Also isn't it surprising that once out of season drug testing started picking up in Jamaica around 2009, Bolt started getting injured in greater frequency? In 2010 it was his ankle, in 2012 it was several injuries. Bolt only had one injury before that in 2005 with his hamstring at the WC's.

Trust me, I've been following Bolt for a long time, before he turned pro. His performances in 2008 convinced me that he had started using PED's after his embarrassment in 2007.

Doped up Jamaican athletes have taken much from our American sprinters. Do I hold a grudge? Yes.

and that's the nub because out of season testing has been prolific in Jamaica since the beginning of Bolt's career.

It's also ironic because American sprinters have been proved to be the dirtiest in history.

Damn, that Yorkie was really going after that baby.

Its not about taking the sport onward.

Its about someone who comes along and utterly destroys everyone and every record like they were nothing in a matter of days.

Its about taking the sport onward in a believable fashion. Bolt is, 'unbelievable'.

People still don't understand the dynamics of wind and start in this thread. Bolt is nearly half a second faster than Johnson in a 19 second race in matching conditions. He is 1/5th to 1/4th of a second faster than the next fastest 100m sprinter in matching conditions.

That kind of outlier is not natural.

Its so weird seeing 5'9" and 5'11" guys break their foot or hurt their hips in career ending/altering injuries. Here you have a 6'5" guy perfectly healthy with even greater likelihood of injury. Something does not add up.

The Crux wrote:

and that's the nub because out of season testing has been prolific in Jamaica since the beginning of Bolt's career.

It's also ironic because American sprinters have been proved to be the dirtiest in history.

Out of season testing started in earnest in 2009. If you were doping in Jamaica up to 2008 you could mostly get away with it.

The increased testing is how Shelly Ann Fraser Price and Blake were both caught.

The reason America gets looked at as dirty is because we are tested so stringently all the time. Its easy to fly or drive and test 10 athletes in America. We have nice hotels and infrastructure.

So the bad apples in America get caught almost always. In Jamaica? In Kenya? Ethiopia? Botswana?

Try hunting down some athletes there and testing them.

Your statement is so BullSh*t I can hardly take your defense of Bolt seriously.

Carl Lewis was tall as well. It took him until he was 30 to run 9.86, and he never ran faster. How do you explain that?

I saw a video of Bolt running 21.7 at age 14 (2001 WYC's in Hungary), his form was very ugly, but he got the talent.

So, only 2.5 seconds of improvement in 8 uears of serious trsining.

No big deal.

Growth Hormone stops injuries wrote:

Its so weird seeing 5'9" and 5'11" guys break their foot or hurt their hips in career ending/altering injuries. Here you have a 6'5" guy perfectly healthy with even greater likelihood of injury. Something does not add up.

What doesn't add up is that you're overestimating the effect of height at the expense of ignoring form, training style. Does it not occur to you that the reasons Bolt doesn't get injured as often as a lot of shorter sprinters lie in his form and his admittedly lackadaisical (at times) training? Height is but one small factor at work here.

Taking your idea to its logical conclusion, practically everyone in the NBA should be injured pretty much continually.

Some progressions from Bolt's training group:

Bolt 100m:

2007 - 10.03s

2008 - 9.69s

2009 - 9.58s

Bolt 200m:

2007 - 19.75s

2008 - 19.30s

2009 - 19.19s

Blake 200m:

2009 - 20.60s

2010 - 19.78s

2011 - 19.26s

Jason Young 200m:

2011 - 20.53s

2012 - 19.86s

Glen Mills has been coaching since the 70s. What did he learn in 2007 that suddenly his athletes regularly dropped .5 seconds off their 200?