Nike ............ the truth

Very funny. I wonder if it actually happenned though. If it did that's great. Can't believe someone would come up with that. Very good, thanks.

Oh, goody!!! Another thread to start a political argument on a running board.

hey diggity, do u run 24 hours a day. I think this is very relevant because of the nature of nike or at least as relevant as who's teh hottest chick.

Very well might be, but it is just going to take up space (very much like we are now) arguing about whether Nike's production is ethical. Maybe it won't.

What does me running 24 hours a day have to do with this?

You got a problem with sweatshops? Those little kids would be off playing in a mindfield if it weren't for shops like that! Nike gives them a way to earn a living so they can buy a potato and do something other than play with it like the kids in America do.

It was several years ago.

i thought it was '01

hey i got news for ya, adidas, asics, mizuno arent made in the goo dol us of a. and those nb's and saucony that say made in the us are all foreign parts. every company uses foreig labor, nike is just the biggest company.

There are many issues regarding sweatshops, including work environment, duration of work per day/week, and wages. The most common issue debated is that of the pay rate recieved by the workers of "sweatshops." Many say the problem with low wages could be solved by implementing a minimum wage.

Minimum wage determination is a delicate issue, which should be seen in a broader context of interplay between market forces and collective bargaining power at various levels of economies, not in isolation from other forces at work. In this regard, the fact that minimum wage fixing through tripartite discussion - either negotiation or consultation - is common in many countries is important. This introduces an element of negotiation between government, workers, and employers in the wage setting process. Where there is good quality information and the parties genuinely desire a common-interest outcome, tripartite deliberation could offer a mutually beneficial compromise. But trade unions and other parties to consultations in many developing countries face a number of problems. As illustrated above, in a number of countries where trade unions at the workplace have very weak bargaining power, national trade union centres tend to concentrate excessive effort on the minimum wage fixing process, unintentionally resulting in further weakening trade union organisations and collective bargaining in the workplace. Another typical problem in least developed countries is that there is often no reliable data on economic variables to be taken into account for minimum wage fixing and adjustment. Even if there are economic data for it, trade unions often lack the capacity to analyse them and engage in meaningful joint discussions. Developing power and abilities of trade unions at both workplace and national levels is an urgent task in many countries.

After years under attack for alleged negative effect on low-paid employment, the minimum wage regulation seems to be back in favour as a means of providing unskilled workers with decent living conditions. Several factors are responsible for the renewed interest in the minimum wage as a tool of market policy. First, several studies in the 1990s showed that the minimum wage had little, if any, effect on creating unemployment. Second, there is a new human rights approach that focuses on the right to have decent employment. In developing countries, policy makers are not only concerned with the impact of the minimum wage on employment, but also with its impact on the level of poverty. However, trade unions in many Asian countries face an uphill battle to win a minimum wage system, as the globalisation process and mobility of capital put great downward pressures on working conditions and in particular on minimum wage systems. This is a battle for decent work for all working men and women, which will continue.

the original story that showed the nike used sweatshop labor failed to mention that in the VERY same factory ASICS, NB, ETC. were also being produced. if you REALLY have a problem with nike, you have a problem with all running shoe companies.

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There's hardly a shoe company out there NOT making shoes

in a sweatshop somewhere. Even NB buckled.

Wake up wrote:

There's hardly a shoe company out there NOT making shoes

in a sweatshop somewhere. Even NB buckled.

Do you have factual accounts of this, like those that have been published about Nike, or is it nothing more than presumptive hearsay from apologists?

I believe that was an exchange between Nike and running writer/social commentator/music critic Scott Douglas.

If it's a fact that other companies use sweatshops too, that in itself is no reason not to object to Nike's doing so. If somebody wrote something criticizing, let's say, a high-profile child abuser, would you say it was unfair because there are lots of less famous child abusers out there?

Look at the links posted above, I don't see the name Scott Douglas in there. Or was this something else? Is it on a website, too?

TomM wrote:

If it's a fact that other companies use sweatshops too, that in itself is no reason not to object to Nike's doing so. If somebody wrote something criticizing, let's say, a high-profile child abuser, would you say it was unfair because there are lots of less famous child abusers out there?

well actually the point is that people say nike does it and others dont.

Thanks for the correction. Douglas reported it, but didn't write it. I think the whole exchange is here.