Rudisha's 1:42.12 NEW ALTITUDE WR!!!

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  • Renato Canova
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 4:40am CDT
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    As coach of Kosencha, I want to explain he had chicken pox starting one day before Junior Trials (8th of June). He was in the bed for one week, took antibiotics, and could go out of his house two days before the Heats only.
    I didn't agree his participation in the heats, but he wanted to try in any way.... and after 600m didn't have energies at all.
    So, also if I know Leonard could run under 1'43" pulled by Rudisha if his situation was ok, and I think he can be in short time able looking at a medal in top championships, I also know he doesn't have time for recovering his sickness and moving to his top shape before Olympics. For that reason, I fully agree with the selection of AK.
    Of course, we work for running under 1'43" after Olymnpics. In 800m, there is no tactic if Rudisha is in the race : if you want to run fast, you have only to follow longer you can....
  • Renato Canova
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 11:52am CDT
    re: ventolin^3
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    Ventolin, in order to update your archive, I give you the right splits for the men races in Kenyan Trials, since in many cases the final results were not correct :

    800m
    Rudisha : 24"8 - 51"2 (26"4) - 1'16"8 (25"6) - 1'42"1 (25"3). The first lap in 52" is not true, in any case this is a negative split, also if for 0.1 only.

    1500m (Silas Kiplagat)
    400 : 1'01"6
    800 : 2'02"8 (1'01"2)
    1100 : 2'46"6 (300m in 43"8)
    1200 : 2'59"3 (400m from 800 to 1200 in 56"5)
    1500 : 3'37"6 (last lap in 51", last 300m in 38"3)

    Asbel Kiprop was about 8 meters behind, his last 300m are 37"9

    5000m (official result) :
    Isiah Koech Kiplagat 13'09"80
    Edwin Soi 13'10"86
    Thomas Longosiwa 13'11"11
    Vincent Chepkok 13'11"28

    Splits :
    400 : 1'03"4
    800 : 2'07"4 (1'04"0)
    1000 : 2'39"8 2'39"8
    1200 : 3'11"2 (1'03"8)
    1600 : 4'13"6 (1'02"4)
    2000 : 5'16" (1'02"4) 2'36"2
    2400 : 6'20" (1'04"0)
    2800 : 7'23"9 (1'03"9)
    3000 : 7'55"8 2'39"8
    3200 : 8'27"4 (1'03"5)
    3600 : 9'32" (1'04"6)
    4000 : 10'37"4 (1'05"4) 2'41"6
    4400 : 11'42"6 (1'05"2)
    4600 : 12'12"2
    4800 : 12'41"6 (59"0)
    5000 : 13'09"8 (28"2 / last 400 in 57"6) 2'32"4

    And, for Pamela Jelimo (800m Women) :

    27"8 - 1'01"3 (33"5) - 1'29"6 (28"3) - 1'58"4 (28"8)
  • Mr. Obvious
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    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:05pm CDT
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    That's a big negative split for Jelimo too.

    Is there something about racing the 800m at altitude which makes the negative split a better strategy there?
  • Some things are obvious
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:11pm CDT
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    muslim wrote:

    Semitic is not synonymous with Jewish. There are a lot of Semites in Ethiopia (speaking Tigre, Trigrana, Amharic, Ge'ez, and Harari. There are indeed the Beta Israel and Falasha Mura in Ethiopia, who are Jewish (well, it's complicated) but as far as I am aware therre are neither Jews nor semitic speakers in Kenya.[/quote

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say El G is muslim just like 99% of Moroccans.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Islam is a religion and is neither a language nor an ethnicity.
  • ebuya fantastico
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:12pm CDT
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    renato do you know anything about joseph ebuya ?
  • Mr. Obvious
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    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:13pm CDT
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    Some things are obvious wrote:

    muslim wrote:

    Semitic is not synonymous with Jewish. There are a lot of Semites in Ethiopia (speaking Tigre, Trigrana, Amharic, Ge'ez, and Harari. There are indeed the Beta Israel and Falasha Mura in Ethiopia, who are Jewish (well, it's complicated) but as far as I am aware therre are neither Jews nor semitic speakers in Kenya.[/quote

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say El G is muslim just like 99% of Moroccans.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Islam is a religion and is neither a language nor an ethnicity.


    No, although El G speaks Arabic so he would be Semitic. The question was whether Rudisha was Semitic or not. I don't think there are any Semites in Kenya.
  • Some things are obvious
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:14pm CDT
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    Mr. Obvious wrote:

    That's a big negative split for Jelimo too.

    Is there something about racing the 800m at altitude which makes the negative split a better strategy there?

    No. Even splitting or slightly negative is a better strategy at any altitude.
  • Mr. Obvious
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    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:16pm CDT
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    Some things are obvious wrote:


    No. Even splitting or slightly negative is a better strategy at any altitude.

    That is certainly the conventional wisdom. Just asking because both races at the Kenyan trials were won at altitude in a negative split. Would the negative split be a "safer" race strategy for these favorites?
  • Mr. Obvious
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    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:18pm CDT
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    Mr. Obvious wrote:

    Some things are obvious wrote:


    No. Even splitting or slightly negative is a better strategy at any altitude.

    That is certainly the conventional wisdom. Just asking because both races at the Kenyan trials were won at altitude in a negative split. Would the negative split be a "safer" race strategy for these favorites?


    Sorry, conventional wisdom is that a positive split is the best strategy for 800m.
  • Captain Spalding
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 12:30pm CDT
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    Blame Canada! Blame Canada! wrote:

    He's just as dominant at 800 meters now as Hicham El Guerrouj was at 1500 meters during his day. Why are all these morons on here accusing El G of doping but not Rudisha? Are there that many Kenyans on letsrun?

    Rather than the annoying drug talk that this has prompted (and ethnicity stuff, which is just weird), everyone should remember how many golds El G won. Rudisha looks unstoppable, but so did El G...
  • Walt George
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 1:09pm CDT
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    Rudisha's 1:42.12 NEW ALTITUDE WR!!!




    I’m a bit baffled here.
    What’s so special about a 1.42.12 800 at altitude?
    Since Mexico, I always assumed that in races up to 800mts, running at altitude was a help rather than a hindrance when it came to records.
    Way back in 68, Ralph Doubell (Australia) broke the Olympic record at 800, running 1.44.4 at altitude.
    I assume Rudisha is a bloody sight faster than Doubell over 800, so his time is hardly a surprise.
  • eyewitness
    7 years ago 06/25/2012 2:27pm CDT
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    the 4th guy Vincent Chepkok ran 13:11.28. Soi's time was 13:10.86. Mostly 5k-results are published wrongly.
    ventolin^3 wrote:

    ventolin^3 wrote:handicap of 14'11.91 with 24.91 -> (13'47.00/14'11.91)

    advantage of (63.56/63.18)

    basic = 13'09.8 x above 2 ->

    12'51.3 !!!

    in a tactical race as well ( although i believe a dnf kenyan took it out hard ) !

    i believe most sensible posters woud agree with that number ( the kenyans have been training flat-out for this race & isiah did run 12'53i last year which has to be good few secs faster outdoors )

    using same method for keino's 3'34.91 at mexico ( 2250m / 7381' ) whose nearest US city is larami at 7212'

    only mile is quoted, but that's close enough to 1500m

    factor 1 : (3'59.00/4'08.75)
    factor 2 : (57.91/57.31)

    with 3'34.91 x above 2 -> basic of

    3'28.64 !!!

    considering it was tactical race with significant uneveness ( 60 + 55... ) & solo for 2 last laps, that looks close to 3'27-flat
  • Deanouk
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    7 years ago 06/26/2012 10:09am CDT
    re: Renato Canova
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    Renato Canova wrote:

    Ventolin, in order to update your archive, I give you the right splits for the men races in Kenyan Trials, since in many cases the final results were not correct :

    800m
    Rudisha : 24"8 - 51"2 (26"4) - 1'16"8 (25"6) - 1'42"1 (25"3). The first lap in 52" is not true, in any case this is a negative split, also if for 0.1 only.

    1500m (Silas Kiplagat)
    400 : 1'01"6
    800 : 2'02"8 (1'01"2)
    1100 : 2'46"6 (300m in 43"8)
    1200 : 2'59"3 (400m from 800 to 1200 in 56"5)
    1500 : 3'37"6 (last lap in 51", last 300m in 38"3)

    Asbel Kiprop was about 8 meters behind, his last 300m are 37"9

    5000m (official result) :
    Isiah Koech Kiplagat 13'09"80
    Edwin Soi 13'10"86
    Thomas Longosiwa 13'11"11
    Vincent Chepkok 13'11"28

    Splits :
    400 : 1'03"4
    800 : 2'07"4 (1'04"0)
    1000 : 2'39"8 2'39"8
    1200 : 3'11"2 (1'03"8)
    1600 : 4'13"6 (1'02"4)
    2000 : 5'16" (1'02"4) 2'36"2
    2400 : 6'20" (1'04"0)
    2800 : 7'23"9 (1'03"9)
    3000 : 7'55"8 2'39"8
    3200 : 8'27"4 (1'03"5)
    3600 : 9'32" (1'04"6)
    4000 : 10'37"4 (1'05"4) 2'41"6
    4400 : 11'42"6 (1'05"2)
    4600 : 12'12"2
    4800 : 12'41"6 (59"0)
    5000 : 13'09"8 (28"2 / last 400 in 57"6) 2'32"4

    And, for Pamela Jelimo (800m Women) :

    27"8 - 1'01"3 (33"5) - 1'29"6 (28"3) - 1'58"4 (28"8)

    Thank you so much for sharing these split times. I did think the claim of a 52 and a 50 splits for Rudisha was a bit vague and dubious. Nevertheless, 51.2, 50.9 on his own is incredible running.

    I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions, as you were clearly there and have first hand knowledge?

    1) Are Rudisha's splits official or what you took yourself?

    2) Do you happen to know Kiplagat's time at 700m, so I can find his last 800m time?

    3) Do you know Kiplagat (or indeed Kiprop's) last 200m split?

    Many thanks.

    Dean.
  • Some things are obvious
    7 years ago 06/26/2012 10:12am CDT
    re: Mr. Obvious
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    Mr. Obvious wrote:

    Mr. Obvious wrote:

    Some things are obvious wrote:


    No. Even splitting or slightly negative is a better strategy at any altitude.

    That is certainly the conventional wisdom. Just asking because both races at the Kenyan trials were won at altitude in a negative split. Would the negative split be a "safer" race strategy for these favorites?


    Sorry, conventional wisdom is that a positive split is the best strategy for 800m.


    Conventional wisdom is wrong.
  • jerry123
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    7 years ago 06/26/2012 4:42pm CDT
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    if it looks to good to be true ususally is .

    lets look at the two previous w.r holders .
    seb coe blood loaded and the next was epo aided.

    time will till what the magic cocktail is,
    might find out about it in afew decades .
    is it new epo variant ,dont think so even previous fellow
    never droped this many times.
    is it something getting more oxygen to muscles or
    dealing with all lactic . time will reveal all
    i hope.
  • historical analysis
    7 years ago 06/26/2012 4:53pm CDT
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    jerry123 wrote:

    if it looks to good to be true ususally is .

    lets look at the two previous w.r holders .
    seb coe blood loaded and the next was epo aided.

    time will till what the magic cocktail is,
    might find out about it in afew decades .
    is it new epo variant ,dont think so even previous fellow
    never droped this many times.
    is it something getting more oxygen to muscles or
    dealing with all lactic . time will reveal all
    i hope.

    Absolutely no evidence Coe doped. Tested regularly out of season from 81.
    There is no proof Kipketer doped either, although there are certain alarm bells which made me suspect at the time that he could have been on EPO.

    I don't think Rudisha is on anything either. Just a tremendously gifted athlete who has been running fast since his teens.