HS Summer Training: How much is too much?

Running + Cross Trianing will prevent mental/physical staleness. Plus low risk of injury.

Fr - 35-40

So - 45-50

Jr - 55-60

Sr - 65-70

General rule of thumb ^^ but every runner is different.. a 20:30 5k guy as a Fresh needs more miles then a 17:00 Fresh. A senior running 15:30 needs much more miles then a 18:30 senior. Elite runners can probably do 10 mpw more then that

Cross Train 45-60 mins instead of a 30-45 min recovery run or a day off.

the average male runner wrote:

Oh yeah, one more thing, both the sophomores are no where near physically mature. They haven't started puberty yet and are pretty small for their age. Does physical maturity have any impact on the volume these guys should run?

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So you don't think kids have time to play high school sports?

Because running 60 miles a week takes a lot less time than football practice... or soccer practice... or swimming practice... or band practice...[/quote]

That's not really my point.

Maybe my point should be that if you're a coach who can't get results from 17 year-olds running 60 miles a week, then you're probably not a very good coach.

H.S. Coach #7023761 is IGNORANT

High school athletes, especially seasoned ones with PRs such as those, can build up to 80 or 90 miles easily but just make sure 2/3 of the mileage is SLOW, as in 8 minutes, even 9 minutes. Pace is not as important as volume. Several months of this could change your philosophy on coaching, trust me.

dark hills, really black wrote:

So you don't think kids have time to play high school sports?

Because running 60 miles a week takes a lot less time than football practice... or soccer practice... or swimming practice... or band practice...[/quote]

That's not really my point.

Maybe my point should be that if you're a coach who can't get results from 17 year-olds running 60 miles a week, then you're probably not a very good coach.[/quote]

Or maybe the 17 year old kid doesn't have distance running talent? A coach can be good even if the athlete doesn't run a very fast time. Improving an athlete is the goal. A lot of my boys start at over 6 minutes for the 1600, getting them down to 5 in a few years is a good goal, like getting a 4:10 miler to 3:59.

Steve Martin wrote:

oh bruddah champeen wrote:

Visited a school last year known for high mileage and philosophy of aerobic development. Their coaches were less interested in the 9:10 3200 runners who trained 80-100 mpw in high school than the 9:30 to 10 types who may have been at 35 to 60 mpw.

How do you know that? You just visited them, so you cannot know what they prefer.

Talked the coaches you moron. The above statement is exactly what a coach from that program said.

That said, I don't agree 100%.

dark hills, really black wrote:

That's not really my point.

Maybe my point should be that if you're a coach who can't get results from 17 year-olds running 60 miles a week, then you're probably not a very good coach.

That was exactly your point.

This is a new, equally dumb point.

Of course the coach can get results running 60 miles a week. But if he can get more results at 70 miles a week, shouldn't he consider it?

Why do you egomaniac coaches make your athletes meet for practice 6-7 days a week in the summer. You don't see colleges do this. Why, atthletes need a break.

Give a program have them run on their own. Why be a babysitter?

Because as these are younger athletes, they are less likely to be responsible and need more supervision. I give my kids a packet of stuff but still arrange 2 informal get-togethers a week, that way they can have running partners sometimes. Not everyone comes, but everyone seems to like it. Also, doesn't hurt that I teach in the inner-city so arranging to do runs together is also a safety thing.

You all are batshit crazy. Do you guys even coach?

Run an hour plus every day, throw in some fartleks, tempos and strides. The key is an hour a day, every day.

Meet a few times a week as a group, be positive.

The mileage looks good. Just make sure they are doing the little things....eating right, getting good rest, etc.

My opinion sis that more than 60 miles a week is possibly too much, but I was a super low mileage guys that never ran more than 20-25 a week.

I will say that I wish I had run more, but hind sight is twenty twenty and I was in high school before great resources like let's run existed.

My prs off of summer mileage in the 15-25 mpw range and season no more than 25.

2:01 800

4:41

10:29

17:11 ( ran on multiple courses so I actually think the were near legit)

The key isn't how much mileage or how much intensity, it's how relaxed the athletes are running whatever you throw at them. It's difficult to explain what exactly to look for, but you know in hindsight if the signs of too much [running] stress were there. The more the better, up until that breaking point.

Dan

I don't make my athletes meet everyday in the summer, I give them a rough outline to follow. Some do the mileage, some don't, I can't force them to do anything over the offseason. I do have 3 optional meetings, where'll we do a tempo/hill workout, easy/moderate run, and a long run on some trail on the weekend.

And, I'm not the one forcing these miles on them, I was only building them up to 60-65, but they came to me wanting to do more.

Animal Within wrote:

Why do you egomaniac coaches make your athletes meet for practice 6-7 days a week in the summer. You don't see colleges do this. Why, atthletes need a break.

Give a program have them run on their own. Why be a babysitter?

You, obviously, don't coach H.S. running. It is VERY different than college running. Kids need motivation to run. You forget we're talking about 14-17 year olds. Maybe a structured Summer Running Program is what they need to be successful. For every "elite" H.S. runner on your team, there's another 25+ kids needed to fill out a full roster. Most kids are NOT going to run in college, but they'll contribute to the team (in a lot of different ways).

Have them bike and swim!

Sam Kevins wrote:

Your #1 is lying about his times, he can holy 4:50 pace for 2 miles but only 4:38 for one!? He's lying about running 80 mpw too, he's going to do 35 at most.

You're an idiot that probably never specialized in an event.

It doesn't matter what pace he can hold for 3200 meters, that pace isn't faster than 4:38 so he was clearly not worth any faster than a 4:38.

Why are you people so thick headed when it comes to PRs, you're the d-bag coach that demands that your 47 400 guys run the 800 and then bitch and complain and kick them off the team because they aren't running 1:49s for you.

Just because an Athlete is running a 15 minute 5k doesn't mean is mile time is going to be a 4:04.

oh bruddah champeen wrote:

Steve Martin wrote:

How do you know that? You just visited them, so you cannot know what they prefer.

Talked the coaches you moron. The above statement is exactly what a coach from that program said.

That said, I don't agree 100%.

So, you are basing it off of what a coach (read: recruiter) told you. I wonder what he told the guy who actually did the work instead of slacking in HS.

Hitmonlee wrote:

Have them bike and swim!

What is this 1990 again?!?!