What the hell happened with the counters??? Gina from Loyola was told to stop a lap short and was determined DNF!!! Thats bull shit. Did the same thing happen to the other DNF ladies? Unfair! She would have easily made the championship race. Easily. Sucksssss
I haven't heard anything about this but looking at the results I don't see how she would have made the next round even if she stopped a lap early unless she stopped before the winner finished.
The top 12 were all on the same lap.
It's late so explain how my logic is off.
Preliminaries
1 Aliphine Tuliamuk JR Wichita State 33:31.54Q
2 Natosha Rogers JR Texas A&M 33:47.12Q
3 Allison Woodward FR Oregon 33:51.70Q
4 Sarah Waldron SR New Mexico 33:54.56Q
5 Deborah Maier JR California 33:59.90Q
6 Meaghan Nelson JR Iowa State 34:06.79Q
7 Rose Tanui SR Texas Tech 34:07.94Q
8 Elvin Kibet SO Arizona 34:09.81Q
9 Caitlin Comfort JR Wisconsin 34:09.99Q
10 Jennifer Bergman JR Arizona 34:19.15Q
11 Becky Wade JR Rice 34:19.76Q
12 Sarah Sumpter JR UC Davis 34:24.87Q
13 Sarah Callister JR Weber State 34:27.30
14 Katja Goldring JR UCLA 34:48.26
15 Emma Bates FR Boise State 34:48.55
16 Courtney Yaeger JR Illinois 35:33.14
17 Lauren Mugnaini SO Sacramento St. 35:37.91
18 Hannah Pensack-Rinehart JR Colorado St. 35:39.30
19 Taylor Thornley JR Weber State 35:40.62
20 Hailey Hanna SR Arizona State 35:46.95
whoa where did that Freshman come from!?
Ah yeah you are right. Unless she stopped in first there is no way. Thr spread between 1-12 is 60(ish) seconds. So she prob finished in 6-7 but still had a lap to go which would have added 75-85 seconds
Woodward was at about the top of the high school pecking order last year, where she was the only one from the state at the level of Seidel, the girl who won Footlocker this year.
I don't know where you see it but there were no counters telling her to stop. She just stopped on her own.
I was sitting in the stands near the finish. There appeared to be one guy with a clipboard responsible for counting. There was another guy responsible for the laps remaining display, and it also looked like he was telling the lapped girls how many laps they had left. I have no idea how much Guy #1 and Guy #2 talked to each other, but it didn't look organized. Keeping track of 48 runners is definitely something that more than two people should be keeping track of.
Two things of note:
1. Guy #2 would change the "laps remaining" when the leader was about 100m from the finish line every lap. So there's no doubt that the lap counter/counting was confusing to the athletes.
2. We were paying close attention to 12th place all night and by our reckoning, Sarah Sumpter of UC Davis was 13th.
My guess is that the Loyola girl given a DNF finished all of the laps and that Guy #1 (or someone else) missed a lap mark for her on his clipboard.
Anyways, if I had my way, I'd still let her run in Des Moines. 25 girls instead of 24 isn't going to cause anyone issues.
Not specifically replying to TDL88, but, no video anywhere?
toodarnloud88 wrote:
1. Guy #2 would change the "laps remaining" when the leader was about 100m from the finish line every lap. So there's no doubt that the lap counter/counting was confusing to the athletes.
Given that the IAAF rule 131.2 from
http://iaaf.org/mm/Document/06/28/26/62826_PDF_English.pdfsays:
"The display shall be changed each lap when the leader enters the finish straight. In addition, manual indication shall be given, when appropriate, to athletes who have been, or are about to be, lapped."
It sounds like the laps remaining was changed correctly. Only question is whether there was manual indication given to those about to be lapped.
toodarnloud88 wrote:
I was sitting in the stands near the finish. There appeared to be one guy with a clipboard responsible for counting. There was another guy responsible for the laps remaining display, and it also looked like he was telling the lapped girls how many laps they had left. I have no idea how much Guy #1 and Guy #2 talked to each other, but it didn't look organized. Keeping track of 48 runners is definitely something that more than two people should be keeping track of.
Two things of note:
1. Guy #2 would change the "laps remaining" when the leader was about 100m from the finish line every lap. So there's no doubt that the lap counter/counting was confusing to the athletes.
2. We were paying close attention to 12th place all night and by our reckoning, Sarah Sumpter of UC Davis was 13th.
My guess is that the Loyola girl given a DNF finished all of the laps and that Guy #1 (or someone else) missed a lap mark for her on his clipboard.
Anyways, if I had my way, I'd still let her run in Des Moines. 25 girls instead of 24 isn't going to cause anyone issues.
I agree with this, especially if there are people who saw her in the top 12.
Looking at photos from the race it appears that she was lapped by the leaders. I don't think she was in the top-12.
She was in 16th place when she was lapped with 3 laps to go by the leaders...when she "finished" a lap early, she was about 1:00 behind 12th place....no reason to advance her t Des Moines.
Lap counters and officiating was horrible, but ultimately it is the runner's responsibility to know what lap they are on.
I know for a fact there are still women in the results that "finished" a lap early. NCAA/Texas officials need to sort the results of the race out for the sake of accuracy, even though the top 12 are accurate, it is still important to get the final results of the entire race accurate.
toodarnloud88 wrote:
2. We were paying close attention to 12th place all night and by our reckoning, Sarah Sumpter of UC Davis was 13th.
I can guarantee you, no 'reckoning' involved, that Sumpter was the 12th place qualifier. Passed Callister with about a lap to go for final spot. Thanks for your interest though.