Geoffrey Mutai did not have what Geb had. Perhaps only one other man on the planet did.
As for Tergat, please understand that he ran 26:27 at age 28 and 2:04:55 at age 34. He was not the same guy. Tergat ran 2:04:55 when he could probably only run about 26:50.
Paul Tergat could have run 2:03:30 in his absolute prime. Perhaps Mutai could, too, but as I've illustrated, Mutai will not match Tergat on the track as he's taken a different path.
people lack logic here
consider this
if a guy ran 2"02'00 ( or even 2"01'00 if you prefer ) on flat course/no wind & had never ran a track race
what woud you say woud have to be the slowest 10k he woud have to be able to do that ???
i doubt anyone woud argue against that guy having to have 26'00 ability at worst to run that M & probably lot quicker
at some stage, the M wr will become so fast that you can't run it without intrinsic 26'10 - 26'20 ability ( similar to michael johnson running 19.32 which coudn't be possible without intrinsic <<10s ability )
i believe his new york run of 2"05 flat ( ignoring boston ) with all the hard running in last 10k is fast enough a M to ascribe him 26'10 - 26'20 intrinsic ability
MAPIV wrote:As for Tergat, please understand that he ran 26:27 at age 28 and 2:04:55 at age 34. He was not the same guy. Tergat ran 2:04:55 when he could probably only run about 26:50
well
26'50 with 2"04'55 & again speed long gone
-> near 2'00 faster for jeff, divide that by 4.2195 & we are talking -> 30s over 10k ->
~ 26'20
Paul Tergat could have run 2:03:30 in his absolute prime. Perhaps Mutai could, too, but as I've illustrated, Mutai will not match Tergat on the track as he's taken a different path
i don't believe he was ever going to run as fast as these new kids
even in his 10k prime he wasn't running faster than low-59 whereas z-man/sammy were running low/mid-58 in still top 10k shape
tergat's endurance didn't last to 1/2M let alone M
he shouda gone low-58 if it did around '00
Geoffrey Mutai is not that young anymore. He'll turn 31 in October. He is older than Bekele by more than a year. Mutai is already past his prime for the track, although the main reason he wouldn't be able to match Tergat's efforts on the track is that Mutai never developed on the track. He probably would currently struggle to break 13 minutes, although I think he could, but he wouldn't come close to Tergat's 12:49. Tergat won 5 straight World Cross Country titles, becoming a legend. Mutai finished 5th in his World Cross Country performance. Mutai cannot match Tergat in the 10,000. It is too late for that.
The comparison of athletes with Geoffrey Mutai is absurd. How many athletes do you know that can close a sub 2:06 marathon with a sub 28:30 last 10km? NONE! Every now and then you run across athletes who develop into a beast and due to their strength they don't fit perfectly to standards/charts/comparisons of other athletes.
Geoffrey Mutai closes even better then the previous best closer in the marathon L. Shobukhova. When he is in his zone no other athlete in the world can close like Geoffrey Mutai. He's taken closing in the marathon to another level and who is to say he can't do the same at 10000m. No he may never run 26:10 or even 26:20 but that doesn't mean we won't see him closing the last 3000m/4000m faster then what we've become accustom to in the track 10000m.
WaitAndSee wrote:
The comparison of athletes with Geoffrey Mutai is absurd.
Right, because Mutai is the greatest runner who has ever lived. He cannot be compared with mere mortals like 5 time World Cross Country champion, 12:49, 26:27, 2:04:55 Paul Tergat.
I agree with Wait and See. When have you seen a marathoner close like Geoffrey Mutai? Not even the great Paul Tergat or Haile, heck Mutai closing was considering the FASTEST closing 10k EVER in a marathon!
MAPIV wrote:Geoffrey Mutai is not that young anymore. He'll turn 31 in October.
yeah
but he's ~ 5y younger than geb/tergat when they ran M wr
& geb ran 26'29 at 30y - & that again turned into a tactical race, with for a change, kemboi shadowing him last few laps & geb flustered & intimidated by a near 6' kenyan almost engulfing him
you of course saw that race...
He is older than Bekele by more than a year
so ?
Mutai is already past his prime for the track
drivel
it doesn't take olga korbut ability to run track-from-road
although the main reason he wouldn't be able to match Tergat's efforts on the track is that Mutai never developed on the track
drivel
this guy has never ran any serious track but he set 4 Mile wr & blew away some shit-kicker after toying with him, in last 300...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_74pGItbMHe probably would currently struggle to break 13 minutes, although I think he could, but he wouldn't come close to Tergat's 12:49
you quote him 26'30 possible & struggle to break 13 ???
Tergat won 5 straight World Cross Country titles, becoming a legend
ngugi won 5 & a gold
he is legend
he never cracked 27'10...
Mutai finished 5th in his World Cross Country performance
& geb finished 3rd in his best ever x-c
so ???
Mutai cannot match Tergat in the 10,000. It is too late for that.
drivel
Well, you'll never be proven wrong because Mutai will never even run under 26:40. It won't happen, because it is not worth it for Mutai to focus on 10,000m and it will soon be too late, and you'll continue to say he could do it, and so there is no point to the discussion.
VIPAM wrote:
I agree with Wait and See. When have you seen a marathoner close like Geoffrey Mutai? Not even the great Paul Tergat or Haile, heck Mutai closing was considering the FASTEST closing 10k EVER in a marathon!
Mutai is not the god you people think he is. He cannot even make the Olympics...
Don't put words in my mouth. I said he closes faster then any marathoner the world have ever seen and that is a fact.
Why don't you stop being a drama queen. Mutai could have run the Worlds 2011 after placing 4th in the world toughest trials- Kenya's- yet he bypassed the opportunity to focus on a fall marathon. A broke the course record by over 2 minutes in NYC Marathon! So he never focused on the 10000m yet placed 4th off marathon training at the KENYAN TRIALS! I imagine if he stays healthy and wants a spot on any Olympic 10000m team he can secure that if it's his goal.
VIPAM wrote:
Don't put words in my mouth. I said he closes faster then any marathoner the world have ever seen and that is a fact.
Why don't you stop being a drama queen. Mutai could have run the Worlds 2011 after placing 4th in the world toughest trials- Kenya's- yet he bypassed the opportunity to focus on a fall marathon. A broke the course record by over 2 minutes in NYC Marathon! So he never focused on the 10000m yet placed 4th off marathon training at the KENYAN TRIALS! I imagine if he stays healthy and wants a spot on any Olympic 10000m team he can secure that if it's his goal.
You're a moron and always have been. Placing 4th at the Kenyan Trials means he is not a world beater at 10,000m. Closing a marathon faster than any marathoner the world has ever seen means nothing. Look at his body of work. He is one of the top 5 marathoners in the world and that is enough. The fact that you are having an orgasm over him, much as you did over Joseph Ebuya (when you compared him to Bekele) just further validates your moron status.
MAPIV wrote:because it is not worth it for Mutai to focus on 10,000m
moron
get it in to your peabrain
i said
26'10 - 26'20
off his M training
ventolin^3 wrote:
MAPIV wrote:because it is not worth it for Mutai to focus on 10,000mmoron
get it in to your peabrain
i said
26'10 - 26'20
off his M training
Yeah, and because you said it, we're supposed to believe it? You're wrong so often that you're a laughingstock here. Sometimes your posts are interesting, but if you're now quoting yourself as a source of credibility, you've become the moron of morons...almost as stupid as VIPAM.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Kenya would be stoopid not to let him run in 10k trials...
This is an historic moment - the first time I have ever agreed with anything Ventolin has ever written ... :o)
MAPIV wrote:Yeah, and because you said it, we're supposed to believe it? You're wrong so often that you're a laughingstock here. Sometimes your posts are interesting, but if you're now quoting yourself as a source of credibility, you've become the moron of morons...almost as stupid as VIPAM.
moron
are you so stoopid that you can't understand
26'10 - 26'20
off his M training
ventolin^3 wrote:
MAPIV wrote:Yeah, and because you said it, we're supposed to believe it? You're wrong so often that you're a laughingstock here. Sometimes your posts are interesting, but if you're now quoting yourself as a source of credibility, you've become the moron of morons...almost as stupid as VIPAM.moron
are you so stoopid that you can't understand
26'10 - 26'20
off his M training
You're really obtuse. Does that mean that he could run 26:00 off specialized 10,000m training? Or is his marathon training ideal for 10,000m? How come he cannot win Kenyan Trials at 10,000m with wr ability? Why is Mutai barely able to defeat Kisorio, a 26:54 runner? You don't make any sense, as usual. Moses Mosop, a 26:49 runner, ran stride for stride with Mutai at Boston. Can Mosop run 26:10-20? You're beyond a joke.
moron
you can't even post a reply properly
when you do, i'm waiting..
ventolin^3 wrote:
moron
you can't even post a reply properly
when you do, i'm waiting..
In other words, you have no answers. You can't handle the truth.
moron
you offer drivel
f*ck off