So was Ritz'a goal to run his best at USATF XC and the OT marathon just a step along the way?
I believe his goal was to run his best at the OT marathon.
Rupp's goal is to make the 10K team and then be ready for that event at the Games.
If you have different goals, you have different schedules.
marrow2000 wrote:
Obviously the real reason Rupp didn't run the Trials is because he wants to debut at a major marathon and earn a huge paycheck.
Bingo! Rupp could have run the trials. No one has ever said he couldn't. The question is what would the point have been?
Rupp is already doing marathon or marathon-like training so he's building up the strength in training whether he actually ran the trials.
Making the team in the marathon would have been pointless because Rupp's goal is to try to medal in the 5k and/or 10k at the Olympics, and he would probably have given up his spot on the team for the marathon anyway if he had made the top 3.
The downside of debuting at the trials is that it probably reduces the appearance fee he could get from a debut at a major marathon, especially if he medals in the 5k or 10k, which is his goal.
When you take the heightened risk of injury from running the trials and possibly giving up money down the road with no corresponding benefit, there was no reason for Rupp to run.
None of this applies to Ritz. His goal was to be on the marathon team. He missed is goal and is now looking to make the team at a shorter distance. Running cross helps him with that goal.
234 wrote:
On moment Rupp is as fast as anyone in the word but just not strong enough to use that speed at the end of a race. Then he's needing to work on his speed and not do something that works on his strength. So what kind of person is he? The same coach is saying opposite things about the same runner.
Yeah and THEN he ran 26:48 getting outkicked. I think they realized his strength was actually there, just not his speed. Salazar said the comment about Rupp's speed not being there BEFORE he PRed in the 10k by 22 seconds.
Solinsky, Teg, Rupp, and Ritz will all be fighting to make the Olympic team in the 10k. Alberto is having Ritz race usa xc's this soon after the marathon in hopes that he will get hurt and lose a big chunk of training prior to the trials. Every coach has a favorite and we all know who Alberto's is. Getting Ritz out of the 10k should all but secure Rupp a spot on the Olympic team. Also I bet the reason Mo left the country while Rupp is at altitude is b/c Alberto doesn't want him to see the secret EPO and other performance enhancing drugs that Rupp is using.
The speed but not strength comment came after the 26:48
That doesn't really matter unless you also know how many would have gone without doing the trials.
The Rupp bashing really needs to stop. The guy is a great runner and hold the American record in the 10k. Clearly he and his coach know what they are doing. Let them continue to improve.
coach bigfoot wrote:
Bobbzy wrote:Double standard?
Ritz>Rupp
Ritz is not Rupp.
Rupp is not Ritz.
These are two different people with different strengths and weaknesses. It is obvious to me (and should be to you) that Salazar recognizes this and that is why they (or any runner) shouldn't be held to the exact same guidelines in their training.
THIS. I think Salazar knows what's best for two different athletes, at least based on any input he's received from Ritz and Rupp. It's amazing how much people look into Rupp not doing the marathon yet Ritz is running USA XC after the trials...as if it's some sort of conspiracy. Must be a slow day at work.
I feel that rupp is not ritz but that ritz IS rupp
Recovering from an intense marathon effort run off of 10km track training is not the same as recovering from an intense marathon effort of of marathon training.
Recovering from your 1st marathon is different than recovering from your 6th (or whatever number DRitz has finished).
stuck with match.com wrote:
The Rupp bashing really needs to stop. The guy is a great runner and hold the American record in the 10k. Clearly he and his coach know what they are doing. Let them continue to improve.
This has got to be a first. SwM.C is the biggest hater of GR on this board and he calls for a cease fire. I am impressed.
234 wrote:
That doesn't really matter unless you also know how many would have gone without doing the trials.
Your comments have no meaning now that the moderator
has decided for the second time in two days to delete
my comments
Add up for me how many ran the marathon trials in january
and how many will race XC on Feb. 11th
The next question is...
is Salazar a paid sponsor on letsrun.com that deletes
any and all comments that make him look like a know-nothing boob?
asdfadsfsdf wrote:
Yeah and THEN he ran 26:48 getting outkicked. I think they realized his strength was actually there, just not his speed. Salazar said the comment about Rupp's speed not being there BEFORE he PRed in the 10k by 22 seconds.
Your kick comes more from your endurance, not your top end leg speed. The guy who closes fastest is the one who feels freshest at the bell.
bluenotes wrote:
Oregonian
argonian? like those lizard guys from the elder scrolls?
Ritz way too happy about finishing a distant 3rd.
Alberto is making Ritz run usa xc to help secure Rupp makes the 10k team. Hes wants Ritz to get hurt. Alberto knows that Rupp cannot beat Solinsky or Ritz and if the race isn't on 27:00 pace or faster Teg will out kick him with ease. Alberto is brilliant and after Ritz is hurt, he will only run the 5k at the trials b/c his fitness will not be where it needs to be for a 10k and we will hear how Ritz has done a lot of speed work b/c he didn't have much of a base coming off an injury after usa xc. Alberto will try to sell the fact that because the lack of strength work and of all the speed work he has done, plus the fact that the 10k is competed first, his best bet will be to run the 5k and have the final be his second race of the trials, while it will be most of his competitions 3rd race(some guys will run the 1500 first round a few hours before the 5k final). What really sucks for Ritz is that 6 days is plenty for the likes of Rupp, Solinisky, and Teg, coupled with the fact that Lagat, Bumbalough, Jager will have just jogged a 5k and maybe a 1500 prior to the final and he won't be able to fly with them the last 500 meters.
coach d wrote:
I'm NOT a fan of marathons. But the facts simply are that Ritz broke the 5000 AR 4 months after running a marathon. You can't argue that. He did it.
Whether you're talking 800 or 10000, kicking in a mid/long distance race is a combination of strength and speed. It's also true that Alberto had Ritz doing a bunch on speedwork that he hadn't been doing AFTER running the marathon. And a rational person would argue that they both had an impact in Ritz' performance in 2009.
I think you're missing the point
1) a rational person wouldn't attribute the marathon RACE to his success, but rather the training a part of it
2) This situation is happening BECAUSE he didn't make the team. Rupp's goal is to make the team which they are trying to maximize. If the XC trials were a month before the marathon, he would not be running the trials most likely. His goal has now been forced to change. Rupp's goal is still the same.
Can't we just ban this line of reasoning from the board? It is irrelevant, illogical, and - no, it's just stupid.
MRR actually has some good points here, and Rupp will debut in the marathon, when they want him to, to the largest American bonus/appearance fee ever, that is just a fact.
The numbers would be startling to some.
And Ritz is hurt every other season, but Rupp isn't....