DII Nationals at Spokane

annie clark wrote:

what about that eastern new mexico team that said they would be top five at nationals? how are they looking?

They went Lukas V on the baby scene.

This is a great prediction thread!!

I don't think Alaska Anchorage will be top 6. They have went through a tough last week with stress, and their coach, is super strict and intense. At regionals he made one of the top girls cry before the race started. He puts a lot of pressure on these Kenyans who are in a foreign environment (AK) already!

I see neither men or women's teams doing well in Spokane this time around. They'll be way to stressed out. Especially if there's snow.

After watching Adams dominate at regionals, I don't see how Western will beat them at Nats, even with one of their top guys back in the mix. Talked to one of Adam's athletes and apparently RMAC was a bad race day for ALL the guys. Coach Martin is peaking them for Nationals which might give them some tired legs a month before. Doubtful it will happen again.

Wash Park must of been a horrible course to run. Amazing for spectators, but if I had raced it, I would have been completely dizzy and backward.

Curious on thoughts about women's teams and individuals. You people only care about the men?

No one said McLain and Russell would save Mines. They said they would run better in Spokane because it's flat and sea level. Now please tell me why two milers wouldn't run better on a flat course at sea level than two slow courses at altitude.

And if you want to get real dirty, then check out David Goodman's cross country nationals record, it ain't so good which signals trouble for Western if he chokes as usual. And by trouble I don't mean 2nd, I mean getting 3rd or 4th.

The Spokane course is also 10.1k just so everyone knows.

Worst arguments ever!! Sure Russel and McLain will run faster at sea level...

but so will EVERYONE else whos from altitude!! Now please tell me how you think only the two milers from Mines would benefit from that?! ha ha

You got me on Goodman's XC finishes so far, but 8th on conference, and 15th at regionals (on a bad day)... Nothings in the bag, but I think top 20, even top 15 is likely.

Wish I could talk up the girls teams on this thread but i dont know enough about them. Wish Kleppin would give Spence a run for her money though, that would be exciting! As far as team scores, I'll just give it to 'em based on ranking so far..

Any individual predictions? Off the top of my head Isaac Chavez is one of the top returners, and Micah Chelimo has looked strong all year. I don't know much about the guys over at Western and Adams though, do they have any strong front runners?

I think he meant mainly because the course is mostly flat...which makes sense....a flat course will most likely better suit a miler. But acting like Mack is anywhere close to Haebe is ridiculous. The milers should run better on a flatter course, but it's still a 10k and Western and Adams are loaded with true distance guys this year.

To the person saying "you people"...why don't you start us off? You haven't provided anything on the girls either...

As far as individuals form Western and Adams..early in the season I thought Sellers would be the favorite. After conference I thought either Pennel or Sellers could win. Now after regionals I think there are honestly up to 4 or 5 people between Western and Adams that could win individually. When you look at who has beaten who the last few meets I think there are a lot of red and a lot of green who have chances to score 1 point.

westerns normal #5 was not over a minute behind adams 5. He was only 20 seconds behind adams #5.

silly people.

Westerns normal #5 (when they aren't sitting their #3) was ahead of mines #5 so I don't know how someone can say mines is gonna win because westerns 5th is to far back.

this is just silly.

no one said Mines is going to win.

Eastern New MEXICO will finish in top six, mark my words. Best coach in the legue.

TalkingToTheMoon wrote:

The Spokane course is also 10.1k just so everyone knows.

This is a very interesting point to discuss. According to the course map, it does appear that the finish line is beyond the 10k mark. Can I get confirmation that the course is actually longer? And if so, why would they make a national championship longer than regulation?

It's within "regulation". A course simply has be within a range of 10k or 6k and or any lesser distance agreed upon by the competing schools (which is why you have guys running 4 mules, 6k's, 8k's, etc. during the early parts of the season).

Our regional race was probably about 10.2 or 10.3k, but it doesn't matter because everyone knows the course and where the finish line is. Because of some locations, loop sizes and have more then one race distance with the same start and finish area, sometimes it's not possible to have an exact distance.

This course easily could have been exactly 10k, they just chose to add the .1 on for good measure I suppose.

When they had the preview meet earlier this year it was 8.1 K as well. Kind of annoying, but not a big deal.

If you're looking at a map you found online beware that the K markers aren't quite accurate. And some of the instructions on the map are wrong. Its easy enough to figure out if you look at it logically and keep in mind that the markers on the map aren't perfect then it'll make sense when you look at it.

I've finished up the entries for the prediction contest but figured I would post the lists here first. That way if I'm missing a potential top 10 finisher, we can catch them before the contest starts.

What I try to do here is pick the top X finishers from each region plus anyone that I know is a potential contender that might have had a bad day. I shoot for guys who are likely to be All Americans. Here's what I got for the men from each region. Let me know where I went wrong. And given how many ENMU guys are on here talking themselves up, I will justify only including 1 guy from that region right away. Sialo was 46th last year and won that region by over 30 seconds. Based on that it's unlikely they will have more than 1 AA let alone any top 10 guys.

Men:

Atlantic - 3

Central - 25 plus Haebe

East - 4

Midwest - 9 plus Emerick and Devine

South - 1

South Central - 1

Southeast - 1

West - 5

Alex Monroe Lock Haven

Scott Anderson Edinboro

Stephan Schelander Shippensburg

Gabriel Proctor Western State

Tabor Stevens Adams State

Tyler Pennel Western State

Matt Bond Adams State

Nathaniel Sellers Adams State

Paul Yak Augustana

Matthew Daniels Adams State

Sean Gildea Colorado Mines

Nicaise Kazingo NM Highlands

Edwin Cruz Adams State

Tom Karbo Augustana

Al Sanabria Nebraska-Kearney

Derek Alcorn Colorado Mines

Neal Anderson Colorado Mines

David Goodman Western State

Drew Epperson Colorado Mines

Keegan Calmes Adams State

Trevor Blackman Western State

Eiger Erickson Metro State

Ryan Evans Augustana

Tyler Curtis Colorado Mines

Carl Arnold III Metro State

Mack McLain Colorado Mines

Adam Sinda Western State

Ryan Haebe Western State

Russell Drummond Colorado Mines

Glarius Rop American International

Anthony Witt Grand Valley State

Tyler Emmorey Grand Valley State

Ryan Toth Grand Valley State

Nathan Knisely Grand Valley State

Brent Showerman Grand Valley State

Michael Jordan Southern Indiana

Brendan Devine Southern Indiana

Dustin Emerick Southern Indiana

Brock Weaver Ashland

Matt Stratman Ashland

Evan Lewandowski Wisconsin-Parkside

Moses Kirui Florida Tech

Laban Sialo Central Missouri

Pardon Ndhlovu UNC-Pembroke

Micah Chelimo Alaska-Anchorage

Isaac Chavez Chico State

Barak Watson Northwest Nazarene

Alfred Kangogo Alaska-Anchorage

Connor Kasler Western Oregon

Women:

Atlantic - 6

Central - 15

East - 3

Midwest - 8

South - 1

South Central - 1

Southeast - 2

West - 11

Neely Spence Shippensburg

Katie Spratford Shippensburg

Brenae Edwards Mansfield

Victoria Davis Bloomsburg

Corinne Fitzgerald East Stroudsburg

Elicia Anderson Millersville

Lauren Kleppin Western State

Alicia Nelson Adams State

Kelly Lamb Adams State

Sarah Lyle Western State

Sarah Lange Adams State

Dakota Wolf Mary

Leah Hansen Augustana

Sophie McNeely Western State

Kristen Meadors Western State

Jennifer Agnew Mary

Kristin Brondbo Augustana

Melissa Agnew Mary

Morgan Place Minnesota-Duluth

Kyle Blakeslee Augustana

Julianne Payton Western State

Jeptui Cherutich American International

Tara Dooley Bentley

Sarah Simonetti Philadelphia

Rebecca Winchester Grand Valley State

Rachel Clark Grand Valley State

Julia Nowak Grand Valley State

Jessie Vickers Grand Valley State

Anna Rudd Ferris State

Stephanie Stoffel Ashland

Amanda Putt Hillsdale

Hope Christie Wisconsin-Parkside

Heather Nicolosi Tampa

Chloe Susset Abilene Christian

Kate Griewisch Lenoir-Rhyne

Kimone Hewitt Queens

Ruth Keino Alaska-Anchorage

Bridget Berg Humboldt State

Miriam Kipngeno Alaska-Anchorage

Ivy Oguinn Alaska-Anchorage

Alia Gray Chico State

Tiffany Dinh Cal Poly Pomona

Shoshana Keegan Alaska-Anchorage

Chia Chang UC-San Diego

boulderrunner is a clown, Eastern new Mexico University will have atleast three all american athletes. Mohammed just had a really bad race at regionals

The contest is only for top 10. So even if two of your guys have the race of their lives and somehow sneak into the top 40 it really doesn't matter - as far as this contest is concern.

You call him a clown but I bet you take part in the contest.

So when you guys go to b i t c h about him leaving someone out you should really think whether that person has a shot at top 10. Because from that list...I'd say things are looking pretty good.

I would guess tha chico's #2 man is at least as deserving of being on the list as some of these other guys.