Steve Jobs RIP

Given his iconic wardrobe, do you think Steve Jobs will be a top haloween costume this year?

MGOBLUE wrote:

What an icon.

How many Apple products do you own? I have 4

Ha! I got you beat. I have 10 Apple products.

Every time a new product comes out, I camp outside the store overnight or sometimes even for 2 nights before it opens.

Jobs will be remember a 100 years from now. Was he closer to Edison or Telsa in his genius.

I'll put it this way.

Java is the most popular programming language around (especially for those of us with engineering and/or CS degrees). A large part of corporate America runs on Jave EE code and Tomcat, Weblogic, or Struts server software.

Go run Java EE on ANY Apple product. You can't--it doesn't exist. Not because of some Microsoft conspiracy, but because Oracle, which acquired the Java product line as part of Sun, doesn't offer it. Windows or Unix (Solaris or Linux)--no problem.

My youngest stepson is learning Java in high school using netbeans. Netbeans runs on Mac OS, and therein lies the reality. Apple is a toy, marketed at people who don't know much about computers. Always has been.

I can remember back in the 1970's when we had personal computers with 8K BYTE memory cards. I remember in 1977 or 1978 attending a computer show in San Diego and viewing a machine from Pacific Microsystems with a bitmapped (big deal back then) WYSIWYG display, a new Motorola 68000 microprocessor, and a UNIX operating system. That design was purchased by a group of Stanford MBA students led by Scott McNealy and it became the Sun 1 and the basis for how many products made in America are designed and built.

Even back then, Apples were toys for people who can't do real computing...and Suns (and Apollos, and networked windows workstations) were real tools for real people who knew what they were doing to build real products.

If Macs/iPhones disappeared tomorrow, maybe 25 million people would have to buy an Android phone. No big deal, really. We had cell phones before Steve Jobs. Apple has a whopping 10% of the personal computer market. So what? At least Avis is #2: Apple isn't.

But if Windows/Unix/Solaris/Linux disappeared tomorrow, Corporate America would cease to function.

Steve Jobs does NOT equal Gordon Moore. P.T. Barnum ("There's a sucker born every minute") is more appropriate. Michael Dell has probably had a bigger impact.

Now maybe we'll be able to run Flash on iPhones.

Anyone else find the reaction to his death disconcerting? Yes, he was very influential and whatever, but he was basically a designer of toys for wealthy people. The way people are reacting you'd think he'd invented cold fusion.

t.h.e. rock wrote:

Anyone else find the reaction to his death disconcerting? Yes, he was very influential and whatever, but he was basically a designer of toys for wealthy people. The way people are reacting you'd think he'd invented cold fusion.

I agree. I love his products, but he built toys for the rich, was a bully, denied paternity of his daughter, and horded his billions. He was a genius but also a scumbag.

Flagpole wrote:

Apple goes to hell when (Jobs) was away from it, and then he comes back and turns it into a behemoth once again.

Yes, but that was primarily because Microsoft bailed them out with a $150 million donation in 1997, a fact that people who drink Apple Kool-Aid conveniently forget.

Sorry Flagpole, but teaching adult education classes on how to use a home computer doesn't make you a subject matter expert within the IT world. From my point of view, you "jumped the shark" when you tried to convince us that the web browsers of choice were Firefox and Flock. The first one has more security holes than a Swiss cheese, and the second one is now in heaven with Steve Jobs.

Stick to financial advice, brother!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'Comparisons to Edison '

Did Jobs actually invent stuff like the iphone or whatever?

I don't think he invented, as much as USED what had been invented for scientists and engineers, and made it accessible to the common man.

coach d wrote:

I'll put it this way.

Java is the most popular programming language around (especially for those of us with engineering and/or CS degrees). A large part of corporate America runs on Jave EE code and Tomcat, Weblogic, or Struts server software.

Go run Java EE on ANY Apple product. You can't--it doesn't exist. Not because of some Microsoft conspiracy, but because Oracle, which acquired the Java product line as part of Sun, doesn't offer it. Windows or Unix (Solaris or Linux)--no problem.

My youngest stepson is learning Java in high school using netbeans. Netbeans runs on Mac OS, and therein lies the reality. Apple is a toy, marketed at people who don't know much about computers. Always has been.

Are you SURE you have a CS or engineering degree? Java is thee most popular programming language around? What universe did you come from?

Java's a slow, inefficient language even with the recent JIT developments. It's no wonder Apple doesn't support it.

fu jobs wrote:

At several Foxxconn plants where Apple products are made, there have been horrendous policies in place such as workers being forced to work between 80 and 100 hours of overtime

There are 168 hours in a week. Working 100 hours of overtime would mean that you're working a total of 140 hours, ie you have a total of 28 hours off during the week (4 hours per day). I don't care how inhumane an employer is or how horrible working conditions at a factory are, this simply could not happen. Working 140 hours in a week is not something that is physically possible for a human being to do.

caller of bs wrote:

fu jobs wrote:

At several Foxxconn plants where Apple products are made, there have been horrendous policies in place such as workers being forced to work between 80 and 100 hours of overtime

There are 168 hours in a week. Working 100 hours of overtime would mean that you're working a total of 140 hours, ie you have a total of 28 hours off during the week (4 hours per day). I don't care how inhumane an employer is or how horrible working conditions at a factory are, this simply could not happen. Working 140 hours in a week is not something that is physically possible for a human being to do.

Umm... I run 80-100 miles a week. On top of my regular job.

So I don't think it's impossible for them to work 80-100 hours overtime.

SPalin wrote:

caller of bs wrote:

There are 168 hours in a week. Working 100 hours of overtime would mean that you're working a total of 140 hours, ie you have a total of 28 hours off during the week (4 hours per day). I don't care how inhumane an employer is or how horrible working conditions at a factory are, this simply could not happen. Working 140 hours in a week is not something that is physically possible for a human being to do.

Umm... I run 80-100 miles a week. On top of my regular job.

So I don't think it's impossible for them to work 80-100 hours overtime.

So you run at a pace 1 hour/mile? I know some of you folks are for taking your easy runs easy, but that's really overdoing it.

Very sad. Once the hyperbole dies down it will be interesting to see if/how Jobs is remembered. He was one of many who 'pioneered computing'. Making stuff stylish and trendy for a period does not guarantee immortality. If he had not done what he did, we would still have had the digital revolution without Apple. My bet is that he will be remembered to geeks-only in 50yrs. 100yrs no way.

Even back then, Apples were toys for people who can't do real computing...and Suns (and Apollos, and networked windows workstations) were real tools for real people who knew what they were doing to build real products.

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So people in the media business using apple products because of their superiority in this market are using toys? Interesting. Computers are only tools for nerds, other than that they are simply toys. Toys toys toys.

There is truth to your comment, but you drown it in your stupidity and dislike for Apple.

Learn to be objective kiddo.

lolly wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'Comparisons to Edison '

Did Jobs actually invent stuff like the iphone or whatever?

I don't think he invented, as much as USED what had been invented for scientists and engineers, and made it accessible to the common man.

So that's a no then

As usual someone at the top gets the credit for the work someone else has done. I keep hearing 'other people would have given up when the engineers said no' Yeah must be hard to say get it finished or you are sacked

There is a lot of fuss over his products which are essentially small computers.

Some guy was on the radio yesterday about how jobs had changed his life. This was because whenever he was working on the road and he saw an advert or something. He could look it up straight away on his iphone instead of waiting for later. Big deal

Take the ipod, well before that was Mp3, a long time before that the Walkman. Yeah they improved the concept a lot but big deal. Take those app things on an iphone. Do they ever really justify the cost of the phone. Its just stuff to do when you are bored. You see all these young people showing off with all this stuff cost thousands over a couple of years...while they are waiting in the rain for a bus

Call him a great CEO or inspiration but don't make out like he invented all those products

No, he did not invent the Iphone, Ipad or Ipod.

BUT, he is the reason the making of these products became possible (with help others obviously). He 'invented' the way Apple work today, that and his great marketing skills are what he should be honored for.

"Big deal" Becoming one of the most successful CEO's is a big deal.

'"Big deal" Becoming one of the most successful CEO's is a big deal.'

Maybe for you and him, not me

Wow. That kind of spin on what Jobs has done for the world is just a bunch of BS.

ukathleticscoach could you change your nickname please. you're becoming an embarrasment to people from the UK. How Steve Jobs affected you personally has little to do with the millions of people who really felt like he did connect with them and did change their lives. Your judgement of their situations and rolling out the old cliches about people who really deserve credit not getting it, are unwarranted, and in this case inaccurate.