LaShawn Merrit kicks home for gold like a boss

go_merritt wrote:

I don't consider Merritt a doper because his mistake was unintentional. He is squeaky clean now, so nothing can be taken away from his great relay performance where he was a boss.

If you aren't on board the Merritt train, then get on board.

All dopers claim is was unintentional.

You need to learn about masking agents and such.

I know about masking agents. This just proves what Merritt is saying. If he was using a masking agent, he wouldn't have tested positive for ingredients in extenze. And he didn't test positive for any masking agents. Poor Merritt just made an unintentional mistake and served his time. Now he is on his way back to being the boss of the 400m.

story wrote:

go_merritt wrote:

I don't consider Merritt a doper because his mistake was unintentional. He is squeaky clean now, so nothing can be taken away from his great relay performance where he was a boss.

If you aren't on board the Merritt train, then get on board.

All dopers claim is was unintentional.

You need to learn about masking agents and such.

'Poor Merritt just made an unintentional mistake and served his time. Now he is on his way back to being the boss of the 400m.'

He's a steroid doper who lied to avoid doing his time

It's time the ban for doping was increased or we will never be rid of cheats. People like you seem very happy with that.

Dopers; they are always inoccent and they always make up a story

Some people may doubt him. But I give him the benefit of the doubt. Whatever mistakes he made, I'm sure he's learned his lesson and is ready to redeem himself. Saving the 4x4 relay was a good start.

One in a long line of American 400m drug cheats. Someone please make a list of American 400m drug cheats, which obviously must include Merrit. Off the top of my head I have:

1. Butch Reynolds

2. Both of the twins who used to live in a car

4. The guy who killed himself out of shame

3. Merrit

4. 3/4 of an olympic gold medal team

5. etc.

go_merritt wrote:

Some people may doubt him. But I give him the benefit of the doubt. Whatever mistakes he made, I'm sure he's learned his lesson and is ready to redeem himself. Saving the 4x4 relay was a good start.

Yeah, dont get caught

Butch Reynolds was the victim of a flawed testing, this has been well documented. He even won a libel lawsuit against the IAAF in Ohio court. Of course the IAAF would not admit fault.

I'll admit to some of the other runners, but Merritt and Reynolds are talented enough that they don't need drugs to win and are merely victims of bad testing or stupid mistakes. They need no doping to be the best in the world.

Go USA! Merritt kicked home like a boss!

Do you think that Merritt just claimed he took extenze and WADA/IAAF believed him?

If he tested positive and there were no extenuating circumstances he would be banned for 4 years. He was banned for 24 months. Would they lower his ban to 21 months, effectively allowing his participation in the sports biggest event, if he didn't provide EVIDENCE to support his claim?

He had a hearing to present his case. I imagine that he showed evidence that he was actually taking this stuff - receipts of purchases, etc - and that whatever showed up in his blood could come from it - laboratory analysis, etc.

Could it be a grand scheme of drugs, masking agents, lies, and manufactured excuses in order to gain an unfair advantage? If you believe this then you must believe that the large majority of world class athletes are doping. If you can only root for athletes who you are 100% certain are clean then you can only root for yourself.

Is it also impossible to root for Caster Semenya or Oscar Pistorious? Both have been banned from competition. Both are inspirational to some and vile cheats to others.

It's not hard to accept that others have a difference of opinion.

He was in lane one.

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Okay, you saw the heat and I didn't. However, if OP was anywhere besides lane 1 (maybe he was--as I say, I didn't see it), then his split would not have been at the 400 line.

[In any case, the split is taken when the baton (or the person carrying it, if it's not being passed) crosses the midpoint of the zone. I suspect bobonuts took this into account, but a lot of people don't know it...][/quote]

You can keep changing your name from go_merrit to new_fan to categorically but Merrit will still be a proven DOPER

Anything else is just conjecture

Wrong. Categorically started this thread and I am commenting in it since some are determined to not let US track fans enjoy an exciting relay.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

You can keep changing your name from go_merrit to new_fan to categorically but Merrit will still be a proven DOPER

Anything else is just conjecture

ukathleticscoach wrote:'Poor Merritt just made an unintentional mistake and served his time. Now he is on his way back to being the boss of the 400m.'

He's a steroid doper who lied to avoid doing his time

moron

how much steroid you reckon is in a $15 pack of pills you can buy from 7 - 11 ???

The New UncleB wrote:Why do you believe that he took extenze and that this caused the positive result? Because he and his people said so? The people doing the testing certainly did not pin the result on extenze.

the testers job is not to claim what combo prep a +ve came from

a hydrochlorthiazide +ve is not going to be claimed by lab from ingesting zestoretic - the combo with lisinopril - but in an arbitration appeal they will have to admit this as a possibility

the answer to your question is :

the labs have chromatographic/electrophoretic profiles of most all commonly available commercial preparations

( presumably gleaned from volunteers taking specific preparations in order to generate profiles !? )

lashawn's +ve woud show a DHEA profile which matched exactly the chromatographic/electrophoretic profile of extenze ingestion

in absence of any anomaly in concentrations of DHEA or other known components of extenze, it is virtually 100% proof that only extenze was ingested & not another additional/alternative preparation

What do you mean when you said

"lashawn's +ve woud show a DHEA profile which matched"?

Would show? Did it show such a profile or did it not?

And, if you can answer that question, how do you know the answer?

It seems as if you are saying that IF the results of the drug test exactly matched the results one would get from using extenze, then we would know it was extenze that cause the results. In other words, you are saying nothing

don't forget the biggest of them all...wariner. no white guy runs the 400 so quickly clean.

either you are stoopid or know no science - probably both

try & understand this example :

"reference profile of extenze :

crap herb a - 50%

crap herb b - 45%

crap herb c - 2.5%

crap herb d - 1.5%

crap herb e - 0.75%

DHEA - 0.25%"

if the sample for lashawn showed :

a, b, c, d, e, & DHEA in ~ exactly the proportions above, within error margin, it is virtually 100% certain his DHEA came from extenze only

comprendo ??

Anyone here really think Michael Johnson was clean in his prime?

between '95 & '96 when he was already a 19.79 guy ( wr 19.72A from '79 ), it looks like he put on 15 pounds of muscle on tv views

( it may even be mentioned in his book

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Slaying-Dragon-Small-Steps-Great/dp/0060392185

)

someone look it up...

'a, b, c, d, e, & DHEA in ~ exactly the proportions above, within error margin, it is virtually 100% certain his DHEA came from extenze only'

No drug analysis clearly not your area is it.

There are too many variables time taken before test, food eaten and time, different rate of absorption.

DHEA is regularly used by body builders, maybe he took in Extenze deliberately knowing what ingredients it contained. Who know the only thing we know for certain is he failed a dope test

By the way how did you do in the WC prediction contest?