curmudgeon2 wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
I looked up the Track and Field News site which has a ranking list, but not a times list. Perhaps you can find a copy for sale over the internet.
Uh, this IS the internet. LOL ?
OK hipster old guy :-)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Track-And-Field-News-1978-Collection-Pick-your-month/264554631124?hash=item3d98af4fd4:g:cQcAAOSwsAtd5egGMike Lundgren wrote:
My Waffle Trainers were purchased in 1977 in Iowa City at Eby's Sporting Goods. They were royal blue with a yellow swoosh, got 1500 miles out of them, then bought another pair that "only" got 1300 miles, then bought a pair of "slightly used" gray Tailwinds from the manager (probably a seed shoe for him) and found out you didn't run that many miles in a pair. These were the only air shoes that ever "blew out" on the side for me, only after a very long usage of them.
No joke, early in our marriage, and we'll hit 37 later this month, I purchased what I thought was a nice enough gift for my wife, that I did not get a different gift for her birthday, which is two days before that. Talk about putting myself in an unforgotten doghouse!
Yesterday I set a new PR, I walked 4 miles in 56:52, measured by Garmin, with all 4 under 15 minute pace, and the best one an all-time best of 13:46, walking only! The irony is not lost on me that the Bowerman gals are covering 3 miles in the time I cover one, but it was a very good feeling FOR ME. For those who care, my average heartrate for it was 90, and my resting is about 50 (sleeping) and about 150 max. Left me so pumped up that my evening strength work at home included 3 sets of push-ups, of 21, 15 and 10 (full recoveries in between and hand weights in between). I might be getting my youthful chest back yet! Ha, all 5'10.5" and 147# of me! Hoping my hamstrings will heal and I can start running again in a couple days.
We have discussed the IC connection before, I also bought waffle trainers at Eby's but probably the next year. And in 1979 I worked at Eby's in Moline, IL for the summer.
Coyote Montane wrote:
Mike Lundgren wrote:
My Waffle Trainers were purchased in 1977 in Iowa City at Eby's Sporting Goods.
We have discussed the IC connection before, I also bought waffle trainers at Eby's but probably the next year. And in 1979 I worked at Eby's in Moline, IL for the summer.
I stayed overnight in Iowa City in June 1979. I didn't see you guys. Well, maybe I did, who knows.
The reason I remember, is that I drove cross-country and back that month. On the last night of my trip, I stayed in Iowa City. Then I drove from Iowa City to Pittsford, NY (suburb of Rochester) the next day, and I was home. It was a twenty-hour drive from Iowa City IIRC.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
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I looked up the Track and Field News site which has a ranking list, but not a times list. Perhaps you can find a copy for sale over the internet.
Thanks Iggy- I was trying to avoid that. I thinkit was January of 1979 I am looking for.
I didn't want to buy a copy of the wrong issue.
We won the team 50Km championship at the AAU Nations in late Summer of 1978. It was even a very good time, but the sport was pretty thin back then. I was in just enough decent overall condition to help the team place. Today, it would not even make the women's 50K -additions- list.
I was sort of hoping some other nerdy track guy on the thread had stash of back copies laying around. Not a big deal, I may find a stash from one of the local contacts here in Michigan.
Sorry I could have helped you back in my coaching days. I had years of TFN. Left them at my last coaching stint, stopped my subscription when I changed careers. I had come coaching classics I left behind too. In a way wish I still had them.
Coyote, cool that you worked at Eby's/Moline for a bit. You probably saw those original gray Tailwinds then, too. I still cannot believe that I ran 1500 miles in that first Waffle Trainer of mine. but that was with young, fresh legs of a 26 year old and had not been running before then.
We were back in IC last spring, invited there because Jane had tried out for the Iowa women's Basketball team then, and she and others were introduced at halftime for the final regular season women's game. Was so awesome to see, wish I had taken a video and not just photo. One of the coldest days of the year the day before, windchill below zero!
Ran 5 miles at the track in the evening, slow and untimed. Partly sunny, 68 F. with 80% humidity and 10 mph wind.
Not fast, not pretty, but 5 miles in the bank. My longest run since February 3, 2019 according to my log, when I ran 5.50 miles on the treadmill at Planet Fitness.
Watched some pretty good running videos today.
First I watched the Bowerman Track Club's recent intrasquad meet, where all kinds of 5K records were broken, first by the women and then by the men.
For the women, Shelby Houlihan broke the American record by several seconds by running 14:23. Right behind her in 12:46 was Karissa Schweizer, also under the American record.
Then in the men's 5K, Mo Ahmed ran 12:47: just unbelievable. Lopez Lomong finished well back in 12:58, which was his first time under 13:00, not bad for 35 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GP3A-e4ByU
Then in a comment or interview or something, I heard about Karissa Schweizer's spectacular breakout race at the 2016 NCAA Women's Cross Country Championships. So I had to watch that.
Before the NCAA Championships, she was totally unheralded and nobody even mentioned her as a potential factor in the race. Then in the race, she is in 5th place with about 200 yards to go, the leaders well ahead of her, and she just turns it on. She looked like a thoroughbred and made the other girls look like carthorses, as she sprinted past all of them and won easily. Somehow it wasn't even close, although she had been fairly far back with 200 yards to go. How does that happen in a race at such high level?
Brittle Master 1958 wrote:
For the women, Shelby Houlihan broke the American record by several seconds by running 14:23. Right behind her in 12:46 was Karissa Schweizer, also under the American record.
Oops, I meant 14:26 for Schweizer, not 12:46.
Isn't anyone beside Dave B. paying attention to the Kevin Castille story? I wanted to believe in him but thought dropping out of races at the finish made him suspect...
Speaking of the BTC, why do practically all women runners wear those tight bikini bottoms? Looks sexist and unprofessional and disrespectful to the women who are apparently forced to dress that way, by peer pressure or sponsors or teams or coaches or whoever makes them do it. The track isn't the beach. Guys wear running shorts. So should women IMO. Maybe I am just old and don't get it.
I remain bewildered by these f***wits who dope as masters. Really must have serious personality issues.
Not Done Just Yet wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
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I looked up the Track and Field News site which has a ranking list, but not a times list. Perhaps you can find a copy for sale over the internet.
Thanks Iggy- I was trying to avoid that. I thinkit was January of 1979 I am looking for.
I didn't want to buy a copy of the wrong issue.
We won the team 50Km championship at the AAU Nations in late Summer of 1978. It was even a very good time, but the sport was pretty thin back then. I was in just enough decent overall condition to help the team place. Today, it would not even make the women's 50K -additions- list.
I was sort of hoping some other nerdy track guy on the thread had stash of back copies laying around. Not a big deal, I may find a stash from one of the local contacts here in Michigan.
Has Mike F responded? I get the impression he has the odd copy of T&F News.
SCgal wrote:
Isn't anyone beside Dave B. paying attention to the Kevin Castille story? I wanted to believe in him but thought dropping out of races at the finish made him suspect...
I lost some age grade prize money at a couple of the championship races. That's not a huge deal. But what's disappointing is that it sets a bad image on masters running, as seen on the other thread. There are some saying anyone competitive at the master age group level is on PEDs.
Coyote Montane wrote:
SCgal wrote:
Isn't anyone beside Dave B. paying attention to the Kevin Castille story? I wanted to believe in him but thought dropping out of races at the finish made him suspect...
I lost some age grade prize money at a couple of the championship races. That's not a huge deal. But what's disappointing is that it sets a bad image on masters running, as seen on the other thread. There are some saying anyone competitive at the master age group level is on PEDs.
Of course the people who denigrate those they have talent, dedication, and work hard are making excuses for themselves. The personality that takes the easy road of PEDs are seen in all aspects of society, unfortunately. It is never enough for them. Tormented personalities destined to destroy themselves.
here's an article on castille by ken stone for the times of san diego, with lots of quotes/perspectives from my clubmates and me...
read, or don't read, at your leisure,
cush
Good article, thanks.
Also, I knew you were a really good runner, but 3:55 at UCLA? That's awesome.
This PED problem in running, all sports actually, has its parallel in chess, another hobby of mine. For at least a decade now, it's been possible to have an app on your smart phone that can play better chess than a grandmaster. So what happens? Naturally the cheats come piling out of the woodwork. Even grandmasters have been caught cheating with hand-held devices during tournament games. You know if a few players are getting caught, lots of other players are cheating and not getting caught.
Now at major chess tournaments, and even not-so-major tournaments, there will be an assistant tournament director sitting in a chair by the bathroom, saying to everyone who wants to use the bathroom, "Please leave your hand-held device here while using the bathroom." But in fact they have no way of knowing if you are even carrying a hand-held device. I always reply, "I don't have one," because I leave my cell phone in my room during a game. But I could be lying. And I always wonder if the assistant TD is thinking, "That guy's probably lying."
Part of my past is being an NCAA Compliance Officer. A cheating coach once answered he was “doing it for the kid.” There is always a rationale for those willing to cross the line.
Good for you Cush. You’re always quotable.
Pete's points fast , frequent high quality races should be used to identify runners to put under the microscope.
Penalty should strip the athlete of ALL results period with a real effort to recoup prize money and upgrade results.
Life time ban sends the right message whereas a few years suspension sends the wrong message
Wonder what the budget is for masters testing?
Cheaters taint the sport because USADA can't enforce the rules .
So put USADA on the hot seat ask em why it took so long to catch a guy who everyone suspected of doping for years.