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Good response! Say hi to Charlie

Last night I had a steak, bake potato, salad with oil and vinegar dressing, glass of wine. Personally I don’t think it impaired my health or my running.

Diet debates are like religious and political ones, a great way to lose friends.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Last night I had a steak, bake potato, salad with oil and vinegar dressing, glass of wine. Personally I don’t think it impaired my health or my running.

Diet debates are like religious and political ones, a great way to lose friends.

No kidding!..diet debates are getting ridiculous in this day & age! Just last week at the gym I work out at, I had to breakup a near fight in the locker room between to hostile guys arguing about the Vegan vs Keto diet. And these weren't immature young bucks but older guys around my age (late 50s). And neither one looked that great- both were overweigh, both had a little bit of a pot belly, and neither had much muscularity. Lol.

I really don't know what this is all about. The Vegans get nasty pushing their diet and showing all the studies that supports their stance. The Keto people also get mean pushing their diet and showing the their studies. Sadly, PETA can get really nasty with the animal protein eaters while animal protein advocates get hostile with Vegans & Vegatarians.

Here's the irony of this: Three (3) out of four of my grandparents lived long healthy lives passing away at ages 99 (GF), 90 (GF), & 95 (GM). They were all born before 1900 with the exception of one GM born in 1911. Only one GM was in bad health and spent the last 10 or 12 yrs of her life in a nursing home before passing at age 90 (glaucoma, dementia, advanced OA, heart issues). The other three died peacefully at home of natural causes. These three were never on any prescription meds and very rarely even took an aspirin, OTC anti-inflammatory medication, cough syrup, etc. None of them were overweight.

I was lucky because as a youngster I got to spend a lot of time with my grandparents because all of them lived here in the city I grew up in. There diets were balanced; lots of fresh vegetables & fruits, pastas & breads, whole-grain cereals, steak, roast beef, chicken, fish, eggs, bacon. Everything organic (as was most everything back then). And deserts were always ice cream and/or a small piece of homemade pie. And they all drank a ton of coffee; two cups in the morning, two cups after lunch and a cup or two after dinner as they relaxed with either reading the evening paper or watching antenna TV. One grandfather like to have a glass of wine before bed and smoked an occasional stogie.

I can only imagine they must be rolling their eyes now in the afterlife at this ridiculous division that exists in this country over diets!

I married someone that is very traditional, including made from scratch meals seven days a week. Like my mother did, she packs me a lunch every work day (and breakfast, since I exercise most days before work). Now I will admit I could use some discipline and an occasional push aways from the table, but criticizing the menu would not fly. Like your grandparents diet we eat a variety of fresh food daily, and a large part of our budget goes to the dining table. Both of us are considered slim. Any physical infirmities we have are not diet related as far as I can tell.

Hey All, been a while. Terrible chest cold from granddaughter, so I'm resting yesterday and today. Hoping to gt out for a good hour walk sunday am. While I've been away, I've taken up writing (my last competition 10k, sub 40 @Orono, 2007).

My new book takes place in the 80's a young man trying to realize his Olympic ambitions in the marathon. He's coached by an actual Olympian from the 30's. Some of you might like it or motivated as you get ready for fall marathons. The reviews have been good, the training and racing real. See you on the roads and enjoy!

https://indiereader.com/book_review/racing-shadows/

https://www.amazon.com/Racing-Shadows-James-K-Dill/dp/1627202420

218 er,

Ordered your book. Thought “I was coached by a 1936 Olympian” (Mihaly Igloi, 1500m Hungary), perhaps I would enjoy this book. Thanks and good luck. Hope it is a big success.

Igy

218er,

Also ran Orono 2007: M55; 5k 18:40, 1500m 4:54 and 2:30 leg 4 x 800m.

Igy

Igy, thanks. It means a lot for me that you'd buy it! I hope you'll post a review. In this book, the 1928 Olympian is based off a real Olympian, Bill Agee who lived in Baltimore and raced against DeMar among others.

Cool that we may have raced back in the day. Only ran the 10k, 39:53ish in Orono I think for 5th. Ran the 5 and 10k in Dekatur, 2nd in the 5k in Baton Rouge in 2003, the mile indoors at Boston. My knees have a bit of arthritis now from the mielage.

Cheers ad happy running!

218er,

Glad to do it and look forward to the read. I ran M55 mile at Boston Indoor 2006, 2008 and 2010. Starting the decline 5:16, 5:28 and 5:43. Might be able to manage 7:10 now at age 69. Oh well, still at it though.

Igy

Good stuff! Keep at it.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Diet debates are like religious and political ones, a great way to lose friends.

It’s sad that you cannot have such debates with your friends. My friends and I have a great deal of respect for each other. We enjoy vigorous debates on these topics and more. We often disagree, but are thankful to hear differing opinions. We understand the importance of keeping an open mind. More importantly, we understand the value of friendship and would never allow such disagreements to affect that.

KCgeezer wrote:

Good response! Say hi to Charlie

Thank you. I will say hi to him the next time that I see him post.

Emilio wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Diet debates are like religious and political ones, a great way to lose friends.

It’s sad that you cannot have such debates with your friends. My friends and I have a great deal of respect for each other. We enjoy vigorous debates on these topics and more. We often disagree, but are thankful to hear differing opinions. We understand the importance of keeping an open mind. More importantly, we understand the value of friendship and would never allow such disagreements to affect that.

Emilio,

No, what is sad is your inference. We once had a house quest that wanted to argue politics his entire stay, and was demanding that his view was the correct one. Needless to say we were relieved to have him go. Whether it is here or with friends I have clearly stated my opinion, if I have one. I posted the article because I thought it was interesting. As I said in a previous post I eat a balanced diet which includes red meat several times a week. I don’t think it affects my health negatively, and I believe the protein is more beneficial than the quasi form. Since you enjoy vigorous debate, apparently are pushing a view, I feel free to tell you I think vegan, glutten free and keto are faddish. I see nothing in those diets that is more beneficial than a traditional balanced diet. If someone wishes to go on a crusade, or a vigorous debate, on diet, politics or religion, be my guest, but not at my house. In the meantime tonight I plan to order the Friday dinner tradition at the Harter Household a carry out pizza with plenty of greasy processed meats.

Igy

I inferred nothing, nor was my post directed specifically at the diet discussion. But I will say you seem rather defensive which might explain your inability to have a civil debate with friends. Rather than blaming your friends, perhaps you would do better by taking a long look in the mirror.

Oh, is that so. I heard body weight exercises are good for self image. I’ll work on that in my spare time.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Emilio wrote:

I inferred nothing, nor was my post directed specifically at the diet discussion. But I will say you seem rather defensive which might explain your inability to have a civil debate with friends. Rather than blaming your friends, perhaps you would do better by taking a long look in the mirror.

Oh, is that so. I heard body weight exercises are good for self image. I’ll work on that in my spare time.

I don’t think it’s as much about self image as it is about attitude.

Emilio wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Oh, is that so. I heard body weight exercises are good for self image. I’ll work on that in my spare time.

I don’t think it’s as much about self image as it is about attitude.

Yes, and you have demonstrated that you have a big one.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Emilio wrote:

I don’t think it’s as much about self image as it is about attitude.

Yes, and you have demonstrated that you have a big one.

Thank you! See, it is possible to have an amicable discussion. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Cavorty wrote:

127 lbs! I'm going to look like an elephant if I get round to training with you. I'm about 5' 8 1/2 and ran my fastest times at about 148 lb (which I am after a run at the moment). I maybe can get to 145-146 given some muscle loss.

Ankle is going to make speed-work a waste of time at the moment, so since I don't have any serious mid-term goals, if I can persuade myself to slow down and start building distance for a few months while the ankle gets stronger (I hope) maybe I can get back somewhere reasonable next spring/summer. Off what I ran at 56, I should be around 19 minutes for 5k at this age and at the moment I think about 20:30/20:40 would be the limit (too much biomechanical inefficiency from ankle to go much quicker) so a long way to go.

Ankle Et al

IMO

Heal your ankle and any other nagging injury problems.

Maintain fitness without compromising the healing process.

Build up gradually with a long term approach.

Start fresh and put your knowledge to good use.

127

Might be lowest weight since high school . Weird thing is I feel really strong. My love handles are almost gone. Like many distance runners I am one of those big muscles on a light frame. I am still trying to reduce visceral fat while adding muscle.

FMD

So this week I tried the 5 day fasting mimicking diet.

WoW what an experience I am gonna keep doing the FMD monthly.

BTW I did not lose any weight but feel lighter and stronger!

Refeeding consisted of a pound of fresh CoHo inhaled!

Gonna keep the high protein for a few more days.

Some decent science behind the fasting mimicking diet:

I did not do any blood work so no biomarkers just in general feeling like 20 years younger;)

Did keep track of blood glucose which dropped a lot but not hypoglycemic.

Upon waking in the 70s after a workout in the 80s after eating still in the 80s.

Next month round two will get some blood work before and after maybe from here:

Running wise I am in a 2 year base phase but did do 10x a minute at 2.5 grade 6:40 pace with 30 second Recoveries this was on day 5 of the FMD still felt really good could have done a bunch.