50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum

Crusty,

I do my weight training and core routine at our YMCA. Family atmosphere, but a little more expensive, but they have a variety of running programs that filter through the Y. I use the treadmill there when necessary, bad weather, injury, etc, but I have not been on one in nine plus months.

Igy

I've never been able to understand people who regularly pound it out on the treadmill when it's dry, sunny, and 45-65 degrees outside, in a town with a fair number of bike/pedestrian paths and bike lanes, and rather mild traffic. I know that some of the women are just terrified to go outdoors, even in broad daylight in a fairly nice neighborhood. I don't know what is the reason for the men.

Ghost, thanks, I appreciate the acknowledgment. Fortunately, I was doing the race for the fun of racing on those beautiful trails, and was not really emotionally invested in where I finished. As for mo'pak's comment on my rebuild process, it only has taken me about 4 decades to learn patience in rebuilding training. We all want to be fit and fast now, but our bodies won't heal and improve quickly no matter how much we want them to. I hope that I finally have learned that I need to take as many days as necessary to recover from a workout even if it is longer than I planned in my fancy workout schedule.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Hey Syracuse tells us more about your impressive indoor experience resume.

Naturally given where I live, I am quite experienced with indoor track. But that’s not the point here. We're talking about the advantages of training outdoors vs indooors.

Unlike you, I don’t consider a dusting of snow and temps in the 20s as a challenge to my running. Rather, I view it as an opportunity.

Look, I get it. You’re not used to serious winter weather, so you’re heading indoors at the sight of the first flake. That probably makes sense for someone like you. But those of us who know the true meaning of "winter" are going to enjoy the benefits of training outdoors while you’re under cover.

Happy solstice.

oldguyII,

I am following your lead on both the recovery and walking. Just finished an easy 3 miles alternating running and walking. Yesterday was a hard workout on the indoor track. Thursday I plan to talke off, easy run Friday, with a race Saturday. As you, just trying to avoid the set back of injury.

Igy

OK. Merry Christmas.

Syracuse wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Hey Syracuse tells us more about your impressive indoor experience resume.

Naturally given where I live, I am quite experienced with indoor track. But that’s not the point here. We're talking about the advantages of training outdoors vs indooors.

Unlike you, I don’t consider a dusting of snow and temps in the 20s as a challenge to my running. Rather, I view it as an opportunity.

Look, I get it. You’re not used to serious winter weather, so you’re heading indoors at the sight of the first flake. That probably makes sense for someone like you. But those of us who know the true meaning of "winter" are going to enjoy the benefits of training outdoors while you’re under cover.

Happy solstice.

Yo! Snowfl-- err Syracuse. What's your 5K PR?

Just An Old Gym Rat wrote:

[quote]Mike Long wrote:

In fact, it looks like 70 yr old Arnold Schwarzenegger is exclusively using just machines and steroids now for his workouts (man...does he look good for 70!):

https://youtu.be/oVb5TPL5KuQ

FIFY

I heard his female custodial staff are crazy over Arnold’s body. Maybe some of the males too.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

I heard his female custodial staff are crazy over Arnold’s body. Maybe some of the males too.

Whatever turns you on.

yearight wrote:

Just An Old Gym Rat wrote:

[quote]Mike Long wrote:

In fact, it looks like 70 yr old Arnold Schwarzenegger is exclusively using just machines and steroids now for his workouts (man...does he look good for 70!):

https://youtu.be/oVb5TPL5KuQ

FIFY

http://www.ronaldo7.net/news/2013/10/728-arnold-schwarzenegger-old-and-fat.jpg

Dang...where did you find that photo at? Must have been taken when he was Governor of CA. ? So, you didn't like his workout video with the machines where he's training with 76 yr old Franco Columbu & that midget actor, Peter Dinklage? Hey...at least Arnie is getting a little bit of cardio riding that funny looking bike to Gold's ?

Switching gears now to something more related to running; Frank Shorter looks very fit & trim in this video a few backs at age 66. Interesting talk he gives here about fitness & older people:

ronkitaus@yahoo.com

wrote:

5m- 26:05

10k- 33:10

half- 72:xx

full - 2:32:12

i am 72 now. best race was a 3:11 at 61 years old in chicago, 4th in age group, ranked 37 in world 60-64

I saw this on a recent "Post your PRs" thread and it got me wondering just how rare a sub-3 is for M60-64.

So I scrolled through M60-64 results from a few of this year's major marathons, and saw very, very few sub-3s. That really underscores what a pie-in-the-sky goal that would be for me and most runners.

Is there is an online ranking of maybe the best 50 or 100 marathon age-group performances each year? A quick search turned up nothing except a site that solicits runners to submit their own times, and charges a fee to view the lists.

Allen1959 wrote:

ronkitaus@yahoo.com

wrote:

5m- 26:05

10k- 33:10

half- 72:xx

full - 2:32:12

i am 72 now. best race was a 3:11 at 61 years old in chicago, 4th in age group, ranked 37 in world 60-64

I saw this on a recent "Post your PRs" thread and it got me wondering just how rare a sub-3 is for M60-64.

So I scrolled through M60-64 results from a few of this year's major marathons, and saw very, very few sub-3s. That really underscores what a pie-in-the-sky goal that would be for me and most runners.

Is there is an online ranking of maybe the best 50 or 100 marathon age-group performances each year? A quick search turned up nothing except a site that solicits runners to submit their own times, and charges a fee to view the lists.

That caught my attention too. Not to make light of anyone's accomplishments, but I was surprised that a 3:11 would be "ranked 37 in world 60-64" considering that Joan Samuelson was thought to have a shot at breaking 3:00 at age 60 (although she got injured and had to withdraw from her goal race).

amkelley wrote:

I was surprised that a 3:11 would be "ranked 37 in world 60-64" considering that Joan Samuelson was thought to have a shot at breaking 3:00 at age 60 (although she got injured and had to withdraw from her goal race).

Apparently, 11 years ago he had some source that designated that quoted ranking.

But, yeah, with the popularity of marathoning in Japan, I would expect several dozen 3:10 M60-64 results there, alone. I really don't know. There must be some sort of tabulation somewhere?

Joan's DNS-forcing injury prior to her marathon, I suppose, may be evidence of just why these "later in life" high-level performances are so rare. With each passing year, it's just less-and-less likely to stay healthy while training at the required volume and intensity.

Thanks, Charlie. I counted two M60+ going sub 2:50 (Aug 2016-Aug 2017). And, on the women's side, if Joan had managed that 2:59, well, that would have been very, very special!

Charlie wrote:

http://www.arrs.net/Veterans/VR5_Mara.htm

Wow!...that's unbelievable! I've never seen anything like this - have these runners found the fountain of youth or something?

I could never break 3 hrs in my prime and now as a 60+ runner I can't break 4:30 without getting injured! It's a dejecting - I'm going to throw in the towel and take up golf!

Ba Humbug!

42 miles last week with a 13-miler @ 9:17 pace on Sunday. Feeling very good this week. 3-mile tempo today: 8:02 pace @89% max HR average. Everything is holding together. Will do my first 14-miler since April this Sunday and will try to report back here. Hopefully will notch a 45+ mile week.

For reference: M60 3:00:00 marathon = 85%= 5:25 mile, 18:26 5K, 1:26:02 1/2M according to WMA calculator. Those times should win most decent-sized local road races.