Something New in Training: The Methods of Renato Canova and Claudio Berardelli

Bump in the hope that Coach Canova sees it.

Would love some thoughts from Canova

Northern Start

Since Renato Canova doesn´t seem to reply i do to comment something about your article.

In my one stupid article for several reasons.

You name it the methods of Renato Canova and Claudio Berardelli but in the inside of the article ther´s nothing about Claudio Berardelli training either. Thje thej first supidity is to name Claudio if ther´s nothing about his training, but only about Renato Canova.

Do you know what´s the Claudio Bernardeli training ? No you don´t know or you would understand that it´s different than Renato training, and if i know something about Renato training he would never agree with some training aspects of Bernardelli.

You misunderstood absolutelly Renato´s post about Berardelli. Renato simply wanted to emphasize the fact some runners from the group of Rosa that were coached by Bernardelli did well with marathon training with some low mileage and high intensity.

In effect Claudio Berardelli is Dr. Rosa's right-hand man, and i guess that Renato wanted to be polite with Bernardelli a young coach with some talent, but don´t relate Renato with Claudio. Renato is a very skill coach, top credentials, he coaches before Claudio was born !

If you want to relate one with each other, thing Renatos as the master and the teacher and Claudio as the pupil, might be a good student.

I advice you to search what´s Claudio training and you will understand that Renato trainimng is one kind and Claudio is another.

And it seemed like the OP just read a few posts and random thoughts without understanding the "glue" of how Canova's theories work together. Without the glue, all the pieces fall apart and you have nothing. It was a good effort but more research and time understanding the concepts is needed.

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Canova Reader wrote:

And it seemed like the OP just read a few posts and random thoughts without understanding the "glue" of how Canova's theories work together. Without the glue, all the pieces fall apart and you have nothing. It was a good effort but more research and time understanding the concepts is needed.

Care to comment on the "glue" that is missing from the OPs rearrangement of ideas in Canova's posting?

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Idiot and silly idea to ask Renato Canova what he thinks about his own training.

What do you think he would reply, that he doesn´t agree with himself ? Do you think that he would say "no i don´t agree with my training".

Totally silly question to ask about Renato to what is not a copy of some Renato´s posts.

What Northern Star is simply to collect some Canova training ideas and copy and past.

However he does somethin surreal. He name it Reanto and well as Claudio training is very different than Renato one.

Try this exercise. Write your own training in one article, then send me and i will ask you what do you think about your own training.

Antonio Cabral,

The reason I did not discuss Berardelli in the article was because Renato seemed to imply that they both employed the same training methods, though I only said "Canova" in the article as I did not want to falsely attribute anything to Berardelli. As I do not speak Italian, it is quite difficult to find substantive information on the training programs of the various famous Italian coaches (Rosa, Berardelli, Canova, etc.)--this is why I turn to Canova's posts on LetsRun. I was not aware that their training philosophies were very different; thank you for informing me of this. Knowing this, perhaps it would have been better to exclude Berardelli from the title and introduction.

I disagree that it would be "silly" to ask Renato his opinion of the article. To my knowledge, he has not written a concise piece describing his training philosophy, and because he rarely describes his training program all at once, it is not well understood among English-speaking audiences. The purpose of this article is not to simply repeat what Renato Canova has already said--it is to contextualize it and make it more understandable to an American audience. When we examine unfamiliar topics, we use an analogy to put it in perspective; so when we explain electrons and atoms, we say "it is like a planet orbiting a star, but with some important differences." Likewise, I say "Canova's prescribed workout pace in the fundamental phase is like the aerobic threshold, but with some important differences." This is the sort of analysis and context we don't get in the piecemeal arrangement of scattered posts we get on the message board. Many people are not so much interested in what workout some runner did on what date, but the underlying reason for WHY the workout structure is what it is. Because this, if it is correctly understood, is what is most useful. I cannot tell an American high-schooler "run 30km at 3:00 per km," but if I understand the principles that Canova adheres to when he tells Moses Mosop to run 30km in 90min, I can derive something useful for runners who are not elite Kenyans. It is this part, the understanding of the principles of Canova's training, that I'm looking for feedback on.

Renato did write a book/booklet on marathon training, you can purchase it from the IAAF.

Northern Star

I don´t doubt about your good will to help the English-audiences, and not just the english ones.

I don´t question your sincerity and good intention.

But you missed the target. Someone like you speaking about Rosa, Berardelli, Canova, etc. confesses that "I was not aware that their training philosophies were very different" isn´t not competent to "contextualize it and make it more understandable to an American audience".

You say the americans audiences don´t understand. Let me ask you: aren´t you american either ? How do you know that the americans don´t understand Renato posts but they understand your one article ?

Who told you that Renato wants his training write it the way you did it ?

One final question: Since you don´t have no special training skill to understand Renato´s posts, since you think that Renato doesn´t "concise piece describing his training philosophy" and as you say that the hard part to understand is Renato´s poor english write, what makes you think that you have superior to the average american runner to do something usefull ?

One my last opinion. You should have done it like one student does one home-work. Next time before you try to do such thing, before to start, try to learn something more about other coaches, italians like Ghidinni or Luciano Gigliotti by the way.

antonio...dude...he he just took a stab at deciphering what renato tries to do, and wants to know if he got it right or not. why the hate?

Yeah honestly, he just wants someone to confirm whether this is indeed Canova's philosophy. Some people have come on here and said he missed it, but haven't made more than a vague reference (the glue comment) as to what exactly he missed.

I think this was an awesome thing to do. As a post-collegiate runner trying to coach myself, I really wanted to read a good summary of Canova's principles and this article did just that, or so I think. If it didn't, then lets get a discussion going on what principles were misrepresented.

geez louise wrote:

antonio...dude...he he just took a stab at deciphering what renato tries to do, and wants to know if he got it right or not. why the hate?

We all know that Antonio isn´t exactly a socially competent guy.

Antonio makes an important point. It should be the will of Canova to have his training available from another source. I wouldn't necessarily go as far as to say it violates copy write laws, but it borders on poor judgement and is arguably somewhat unethical not to gather prior approval from the person you attempt to write his methods from.

Considering he hasn't permitted it , it seems presumptuous to make this your project. Better to let Canova, who is quite generous with his ideas express them in context and without translation or meet with him first to get approval.

Hey I've been compiling Renato's training and found it's exactly like Frank Shorter did, a few 440's on the track, and jogging 20 miles runs. Renato if you're reading this can you confirm that your training and Claudio Berardelli's are exactly the same please? Thank you very much. In the meantime I'm compiling all this information and anyone who wants it can send me an email. There might be a few mistakes here and there but otherwise what I'm doing is pretty much perfect. Also it's a lot like Daniels and Tinman.

Whatever happened to Duncan Kibet and James Kwambai? A 5th place in NYC, that's it since their 2009 breakthrough. Anyone have details?

Bump

Antonio stop acting like he's the Pope delivering his take on the Quran and dropping off pamphlets in Mecca.

Consider the article like a thesis that's up for peer review.

FFS