They've been friends for years. I'm not going to post a link to the pictures, as I feel that would be a betrayal of trust, but on his wifes facebook there are several pictures of El G with Webb and Mrs. Webb.
Keep in mind that El G lives in Oregon now, I don't know how good of friends they are, but they are friends.
Hold on just a minute.
Shoe companies do not sign sign stop gap contracts. In Webs case it will have to be long term or to the end of his career. It will take a one year of him running to clear up the stock footage of old nike pics if he is winning and getting new pics. (yes this is what we talk about inside of shoe companies )
Web has played his hand you forget , shoe companies will not be pounding on each other to sign a older often injured , poor championship runner. Great crop of young athletes coming through , a couple of world class athletes running at the top and a medalist still doing it to contend with.
Medal contender ? Note to Condo : You have to make the team first.
Most of the better athletes are signed through the games. Some money is kept alive for the surprises of next year.
His next contract if this is indeed whats happening , will be a much smaller base amount , option for a bigger bonus potential beyond a companies standard pool for bonus.
When is the yard sale at Webb's house?
He's got a lot of nike crap to unload soon.
Jim Spivey was nixed by Nike back in the day. Went with Asics for gear only until. In my book Jim Spivey is much better than Webb is or possibly will ever be. Search the LR message board or TK News for Spivey threads.
History wrote:
Hold on just a minute.
Shoe companies do not sign sign stop gap contracts. In Webs case it will have to be long term or to the end of his career. It will take a one year of him running to clear up the stock footage of old nike pics if he is winning and getting new pics. (yes this is what we talk about inside of shoe companies )
Web has played his hand you forget , shoe companies will not be pounding on each other to sign a older often injured , poor championship runner. Great crop of young athletes coming through , a couple of world class athletes running at the top and a medalist still doing it to contend with.
Medal contender ? Note to Condo : You have to make the team first.
Most of the better athletes are signed through the games. Some money is kept alive for the surprises of next year.
His next contract if this is indeed whats happening , will be a much smaller base amount , option for a bigger bonus potential beyond a companies standard pool for bonus.
Besides Wheating, who is already signed, there is no other American runner (nee Lagat) that has the potential to run 3:30 or faster. A bunch of 3:32 lifetime PR guys, sure, but Webb still has tremendous upside for at least 3-5 years. Back in shape he can click of 3:32-3:35 with no problem, in multiple rounds, and make the finals. Ummmm who else is going to be able to do that in the WC's or Olympics? For as fast as Wheating has been he made it through NCAA's which isn't even a comparison to a WC or Olympics. Remember the pressure on webb in '07? He was the f-ing FAVOURITE in the 1500m especially INTO THE FINAL. You think Wheating's just going to breeze through that kind of pressure, or Leer or Manzano, or Robby Andrews or Lomong?
It's Wheating and Webb tied for 1st still in the US 1500m scene, so long as Lagat isn't running that event. Head case or not Webb is world class. Is Wheating yet? No.
Next please.
betterbutter wrote.....
"It's Wheating and Webb tied for 1st still in the US 1500m scene, so long as Lagat isn't running that event. Head case or not Webb is world class. Is Wheating yet? No."
I don't want to go on about Wheating.
Webb is not World Class. He was in 2007. Was he in 2008? No. Has he been there since? NO. He has a long way to go to get there and he has rarely in his career shown he knows how to compete.
It would be great to see him race well. I am not a hater. Realistically he isn't among the U.S. current best. Forget his past and potential, he is only as good as he NEXT race, just like all runners.
What do you see as Webb's "tremendous upside?" I'm curious. He's 28 and has been around for a decade. How many 28 year old 1500/milers set new PRs or suddenly begin winning or placing highly at championship races when they've never been able to do that consistently before in their careers? Regina Jacobs found a way but of those who don't go to the Dark Side?
If you're thinking that his upside is at longer distances I think that's a huge "maybe." It certainly could happen but I can't see giving him a pile of money based on perceived potential.
ask yourself if Webb would be NCAA champion in the 1500 this spring.
unfortunately, probably not.
It's silly to call Webb a headcase.
The average person gets a new job every 3 years in this modern day. If you count high school until present as Webb's career thus far, he's no less loyal to his coaches than any person out there is to their employer. If you consider the company his employer, then he's been even more loyal.
Being upset with a race performance does not make somebody a headcase. People commonly expresses frustration when they believe they've underachieved. In the case of an Olympic hopeful, the frustration of underachieving at a level below the Olympics makes for a stronger emotion. Acting this way does not make him a headcase. Maybe he won't make a good role model for your child, but he's not crazy or insane for being upset with his performances.
Asafa Powell dumped Nike after they cut his contract renewal offer. I mean, who wants to pay a guy who can only run 9.72 top dollar? So, Asafa signed with Li Ning.
Analysts had originally touted the Olympic Games in Beijing as heralding a breakthrough for the firm in Europe and the US, having already challenged Nike and Adidas at home.
Now, more than two years on, the Li-Ning Group has finally announced a large-scale expansion strategy into the European market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12665597
I think if I was Nike, I'd more than slightly afraid of high profile American atheltes signing with them. And if I was Webb, I'd use that as bargaining ammunition.
The Chinese are coming, and Nike is just the type of highly egotistical management type that will lose out to them.
1 Jeffrey Riseley 86 VIS 3:36.71
2 Asbel Kiprop KEN 3:37.63
3 Alan Webb USA 3:37.82
4 Nick Willis NZL 3:38.76
I would consider being sandwiched between the reigning Olympic Gold and Silver medalists as an indication that Alan Webb, TODAY, is world class (you know, if we go by your "you're only as good as your last race" standard... i.e., you can NOT come back with his 3k, Boston result, or 800 as any sort of retort, as none of these were his last race).
However, I am a bit more practical. I disagree with that "you're only as good as your last race" crap... even though in this case, it supports my point.
Instead, let's take a balanced, non-biased approach:
4th at the 5th Ave mile... beating Willis and Monzano... just behind Lagat and Baddeley... ALL world class 1500/milers. So he lost to a few, he beat a few.
Beat Rupp at his own distance in November
Runs a decent 3k, get's schooled in a indoor 1500 after missing training because of being sick, and then bounces back to run again with world class 1500 athletes.
I can't be certain, but I don't think Webb has ever run faster then a 3:55 mile indoors. His 3:37, therefore, is one of, if not his fastest, Jan, Feb or March time... ever.
Webb is already back to being World Class. He was at the 5th Ave mile and has now backed that up on 2 other occasions.
Not to mention McDougall... although most of that was collateral from his training methods unfortunately:(
HRE wrote:
What do you see as Webb's "tremendous upside?" I'm curious. He's 28 and has been around for a decade. How many 28 year old 1500/milers set new PRs or suddenly begin winning or placing highly at championship races when they've never been able to do that consistently before in their careers? Regina Jacobs found a way but of those who don't go to the Dark Side?
If you're thinking that his upside is at longer distances I think that's a huge "maybe." It certainly could happen but I can't see giving him a pile of money based on perceived potential.
Again you show what an idiot you are.
Anybody know if Webb is still going to Drake?
Obviously, his bargaining ability is limited if he can't make the US team, and right now, against Wheating, Manzano, Lomong, and others, that looks like a long shot. 3:37 is a long way from 3:30-3:32.
A fast time at Drake would say that he's capable of being back this year.
Road mile ? What , sorry pal , nobody buys that line of BS. Season end 5th ave mile fun is just that. Road race over Rupp ? Your reaching here....
Monzano had an excellent track year in 2010 as Lomong. Wheating showed what he is capable of after a full collegiate track season. Webb is not in same class as Lagat , history and medals show that.
Web is 3 years removed from world class running. Outdoor season is upon us , he will get his chance to show his stuff and hopefully show us he is world class.
Webb is right where he should be for March. If he was running 3:32 there is no way he would make it to the WC. 3:37 is about right for someone who wants to double peak in June and August, and likely around 3:31 or 3:32 for a season best.
Just before insults start flying, let's do an offline side bet. I'm not a big better... bragging rights will suffice.
I think Webb will be "world class" you don't. How are we going to define that? A top 15 performer in the world OR making the WC semi? Top 10 performer OR WC Final?
Send me an e-mail so that you're not completely anonymous. That way neither of us can disappear when one of us is wrong.
BTW, you're absolutely right, Monzano had a monster year last year and Wheating is ridiculous. We legitimately have 4 world class 1500 meter runners right now in Webb, Wheating, Monzano and Lomong (I believe in that order, too). 5 if Lagat runs it ever. Saying that I believe Webb is world class is not putting down any of those 4 other guys. As a matter of fact, I use the fact that they are world class, and that Webb has beaten 1 of them, as supporting evidence that Webb is also world class again. People aren't noticing because they are looking just at a time... not when that time was run (March) and how he placed (again, sandwiched between the Olympic Gold and Silver medalists).
Conto wrote:
Webb is right where he should be for March. If he was running 3:32 there is no way he would make it to the WC. 3:37 is about right for someone who wants to double peak in June and August, and likely around 3:31 or 3:32 for a season best.
You might want to explain that to the guys who ran 3:33 indoors. Changing the training/coaching situation mid-season is not normally a positive. There's a whole bunch of people running 1500 at Texas Relays and Mt. Sac, which will say a lot about the situation.
Webb will sign with New Balance. $60-70k per year base, plus big incentives and bonuses. Just my guess.
