Another one bites the dust, Delaware Men's Xc and Track cut

Got it, thanks for the historical insight.

Because none of those schools, other than Temple, aspires to be a football power and Temple apparently was smarter than UD was in how they went about it.

el chutup wrote:

If Delaware's the team that's unsalvagable, why not have everyone else they can manage to beat with shit talent cut as well (and invest in football). Kill Lehigh, UMBC, St Joes, and Temple.

Picayune wrote:

Got it, thanks for the historical insight.

I have no problem listening to arguments from those who think we are overreacting, as UD's program has been nothing more than middle-of-the-pack for a D-I school in most of our lifetimes. However, it's simply insensitive to act like it was deserved -- especially to the student-athletes who are there for the next 4 years. Those who applied there under the impression that UD would be a great school for them because it fit in with their academic goals and had a xc/track team with which they could potentially achieve even more out of their college experience are now SOL.

Breaking News! UD researchers just invented 100-ply toilet paper, so their 20th string defensive end can wipe K.C. Keeler's ass with it. Amazing!

fancy pants wrote:

si coverage:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jeff_pearlman/01/20/delaware.cross.country/index.html

SI is the best media outlet there is too look into this situation. Everytime a university cuts a mens athletic program it blames Title IX and the behavior needs to be exposed.

unreal wrote:

fancy pants wrote:

si coverage:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jeff_pearlman/01/20/delaware.cross.country/index.html

SI is the best media outlet there is too look into this situation. Everytime a university cuts a mens athletic program it blames Title IX and the behavior needs to be exposed.

Yikes i mean to

When I got the call yesterday that the teams were getting cut, I was in shock. I thought they would wait a couple years after cutting the indoor team.

For the posters on here that don't know anything about UD XC/TF please just shutup. You have no idea what your talking about, and you have no idea what these guys do on a regular basis. For you to insult them and there coach is classless. The team not only helps the club members there, but everyone in the running scene in Delaware. They're a great bunch of guys and deserve a lot more respect.

I don't know Fischer personally, but from what I hear he's a great dude. If you look around the Delaware high school XC coachs, many of them ran for Fischer. People have been calling in and sending letters to the university. There is only so much the running community can do. For people to bash him like this is ridiculous and should really stop.

I am deeply sorry for the loss of the programs there, but hopes to still see people out on creek road.

Send Muir, the AD, an email at athletics-dir@udel.edu to let him know if you agree. Don't use large vocabulary.

Compassionate Fan wrote:

Send Muir, the AD, an email at

athletics-dir@udel.edu

to let him know if you agree. Don't use large vocabulary.

I did the same, never got back to me. I hope scandalous pictures are found of Muir blowing a tranny

Email the president instead of Muir. It will make a bigger impact. The Green Mile inmate throws his emails away.

Feel free to email me. I'm very interested in the public's opinion of this matter.

Yertle the Turtle wrote:

Compassionate Fan wrote:

Send Muir, the AD, an email at

athletics-dir@udel.edu

to let him know if you agree. Don't use large vocabulary.

I did the same, never got back to me. I hope scandalous pictures are found of Muir blowing a tranny

I saw Bernard on GangstaGays.com

I am done with all of this crap.. I used to be a runner for Quinnipiac University and decided to leave after they cut their programs due to Title IX and I transferred to Udel hoping to but all of this behind me. Looks like I'm going to be shut out once again.

Let's face it, collegiate running is a dying sport...

I also wrote to the AD to express my feelings on this matter. My school almost cut track and CC too but went after football instead and saved all the "little guys" in the process. No big deal, every one of those football players got their rides picked up elsewhere....the ones who rode the pine and had not place got a degree anyway.

I say AD's can eat a big bag of shit.

ADs (no ownership, no conjunction, no apostrophe) work for school presidents and serve the wishes of the alumni. Doesn't make sense to get all pissy because your school's president and alumni care far more about football success than about whether there are xc and track teams.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:

ADs (no ownership, no conjunction, no apostrophe) work for school presidents and serve the wishes of the alumni. Doesn't make sense to get all pissy because your school's president and alumni care far more about football success than about whether there are xc and track teams.

Well, it's true that ADs work for the President of a college, but not quite true that they 'work' for the alumni. In an indirect way, yes - inasmuch as a groundswell of negative opinion among alums could goad the President into firing the AD. But, especially at public colleges like (I'm assuming) the U of Delaware, the AD ultimately works for the taxpayers who subsidize the University, and the students who pay tuition.

And there is another crucial point many posters on this board mistakenly assume: that in order to justify its existence, a college sports team needs to be financially solvent. I'm not going to speculate why this particular rationale has such widespread appeal to message board bullshitters & sophists, but it clearly does. I just will reiterate that citing financial insolvency of a particular sports program as justification for cutting it is nothing more than a canard of sackless ADs. Entire academic departments lose money at colleges; would you ever hear the argument at a public university that 'we are cutting the biology labs because they are losing money, and putting the money we save to a new physics lab'? In a word, no.

zew wrote:

But, especially at public colleges like (I'm assuming) the U of Delaware, the AD ultimately works for the taxpayers who subsidize the University, and the students who pay tuition.

It's not a public school.

Unfortunately, Delaware has succumb to the idea of "big time", which has taken away opportunities from many student-athletes in a number of the "minor" sports. It is the fault of the school administration, as they pursue the "dream" of "big time", but it is also the fault of the NCAA, which devised the terrible criteria of forming conferences that for the most part have little to do with colleges and their natural level of competition and natural rivalries.

Let me explain. Prior to the NCAA setting up football and basketball (the big culprit) conferences that cost an enormous amount of money to run, conferences were local in nature. Delaware used to belong to a very nice conference that included American, Bucknell, Delaware, Drexel, Lafayette, La Salle, Lehigh, Rider, St. Joseph's, Temple and West Chester. It was the East Coast Conference. Travel was not a big cost. The schools were competitive with each other and rivalries grew. Then the NCAA got into the picture and forced schools to find new conferences to join so they could be in "the big dance". Right.... So, Delaware now loses its rivalry with Bucknell, Lafayette, Drexel, LaSalle, etc and begins a new association with Boston U, Northeastern, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, etc. Nice, huh? What the heck does Delaware have in common with those schools? Nothing. Yet that was the big move to help their sports programs. The end result was big travel costs for all the team sports that play home and away. Bigger costs for the track and cross country team as they had to travel to Boston two to three times a year.

You get the point. This action on the part of the NCAA has caused more sport programs to bite the dust than anything else, including Title IX. Look at most of the conferences around the country. With the exception of a few still holding on to local rivalries, most conferences cover huge geographic areas, requiring lots of travel costs, with teams having little if any kind of connection other than they belong in the same conference.

When Delaware left the East Coast Conference and moved to the America East (North Atlantic back then) and then to the CAA, its sports teams were sold down the river. They lost their identity. And for what, finishing 12th in the CAA Basketball Conference. Look back and you will see that they used to be very competitive in basketball in the old East Coast Conference. Their football teams used to fill the stadiums playing teams close to home. Now, all gone.

That is the price of being a part of the NCAA, but no one wants to admit this and correct it.