Paula's off the charts marathon

douglas burke wrote:

t. dibaba and defar have gone sub 30 for a track 10k as have abeylegesse, melkamu and junxia, only junxia has retired so 4 of the 5 sub 30 for 10k girls are running of the 4

As the thread opener described, her Marathon is "off the charts". When comparing times, PR's Marathon time doesn't compare to sub30 10k, it compares to sub29 10k.

Of course Paula has never run sub29 but obviously she was extremely gifted towards the Marathon distance.

MalePacers wrote:

When comparing times one needs to be careful as her Marathon was paced by men. Nothing wrong with that, it is not illegal but certainly provides and advantage. It's like if Geb had one pacer for the first half and then another one for the 2nd half. How much difference does it make? Maybe 90sec?

I watched that marathon and I think the organisers didn’t do Paula that much of a favour, using male pacemakers.

She was doubtful about the idea from the word go.

Paula much prefers to be out on her own in a marathon and with the situation being completely unique, neither Paula or especially the pacemakers were quite certain as to their respective roles during the race.

Run in front of her? Alongside her? Push the pace if she appeared flagging?

In fact, at times, Paula seemed almost exasperated by their activities and a few times, they actually got in her way and slowed her momentarily.

I think she was in the best form of her life on that day - and might have even run faster had the organisers left well alone.

Alf Shrubb wrote:

I watched that marathon and I think the organisers didn’t do Paula that much of a favour, using male pacemakers.

She was doubtful about the idea from the word go.

Paula much prefers to be out on her own in a marathon and with the situation being completely unique, neither Paula or especially the pacemakers were quite certain as to their respective roles during the race.

Run in front of her? Alongside her? Push the pace if she appeared flagging?

In fact, at times, Paula seemed almost exasperated by their activities and a few times, they actually got in her way and slowed her momentarily.

I think she was in the best form of her life on that day - and might have even run faster had the organisers left well alone.

Unfortunately, I didn't see that Marathon (anyone has a link to watch online?). I also understand that PR is very much a frontrunner. Still, potentially this could be a huge benefit: a pacer, or group of pacers all the way to the finish and probably bigger than her. It's like a football player kinda guy blocking the wind for Geb. ;)

Most people will say I'm crazy but there is one person who could break Paula's Radcliffe marathon WR: Tirunesh Dibaba!

Many people thought I was crazy back when I said Tirunesh Dibaba and Elvan Abeylegesse would be the next two women to run sub 30 minute 10000m years before they tired. Several posters citing they have to much speed and will never try the 10000m.

There are several women who haven't attempted the marathon that is capable of low 2:17 to 2:18 if they properly prepared and healthy at their peak. Sadly there is only one women who TO DATE has shown she has the ability to threaten Paula's legendary marathon WR- Tirnesh!

Check out her destruction of the womens 15km WR. She passed 10km in an outstanding 31:23 and then picked up the pace running her last 5km in 15:04 (30:08 pace).

http://www.ethiotube.net/video/6629/Tirunesh-Dibaba-smashes-15K-World-Record-husband-Sileshi-wins-Mens-race-in-Nijmegen-the-Netherlands

If Tirunesh was to get proper training and stayed healthy for several years of marathon running I could see her running

2:14:30

with fast course, great pacing, and ideal weather! It would take her a few trys and everything would have to be spot on to take down Paula's WR.

The next four years Marion did what in track? She did not exactly set the world on fire. And, even though she doped, are you saying she would have been a 11.2 runner otherwise> For her one of the big draws of doping was to be able to do the multi-medal thing. She would likely have medaled without doping, just not had any shot for 5 Golds, and she wanted the world.

bmi overweight wrote:

I see what you're saying canadeh, but if I recall Marion Jones showed great promise (winning CA state meet all four years! in the 100m) and never tested positive. Her example looms large whenever people put up the "s/he was always good and was never caught so therefore wasn't doping" argument.

To the OP: Rudisha's was a great performance but probably about expected from a historical standpoint, I think (under the assumption that *either* Coe, Kipketer and the Rudisha were all on peds or all weren't). To me Paula's marathon really is different.

I'm saying nothing about Marion's undoped potential. I am saying that early promise (and high school times are often used as a barometer of 'talent') is not a sufficient defense against an allegation of doping. Consider the following argument:

"Marion Jones didn't show superstar promise in college but look, she was on the basketball team earning her scholarship in that sport. But there's no reason to suspect her (more than anybody else) of doping now because look - she won the 100 at CA's all-division state meet as a frosh - and the next 3 years as well."

To repeat, all I'm saying is that the above argument doesn't hold, not for Marion Jones, Paula Radcliffe, or anybody else.

Nice job comparing her to Coe, a known doper.

Paula was dirty when she ran 2:15. No question about it. Just like Bolt was dirty when he went from 19.89 to 19.30 in one year. I can't believe the stupidity of people on here.

Another interesting factoid on the PR/doping question. She's arranged for blood samples to be frozen, so they can be retested in the future when better testing techniques are available.

Guppy wrote:

Nice job comparing her to Coe, a known doper.

Paula was dirty when she ran 2:15. No question about it. Just like Bolt was dirty when he went from 19.89 to 19.30 in one year. I can't believe the stupidity of people on here.

You're not serious? I can't really tell.

VIPAM wrote:

Most people will say I'm crazy but there is one person who could break Paula's Radcliffe marathon WR: Tirunesh Dibaba!

That idea is not crazy, it's just not realistic. She has no interest in road racing.

Actually, the MacMillan calculator shows Dibaba's 15K WR of 46:27 converts to just a 2:20:23 Marathon. Paula's 2:15:25 WR for the Marathon converts to a 44:43 15K time using the MacMillan calculator. This obviously suggests how fit Paula was and what sort of 15K shape you need to be in to run anywhere near 2:15 for the marathon.

I wish Dibaba and Defar would go down and either run 800/1500 or move up to marathon.

I'd love to see Dibaba and Defar attempt the 1500 just to show what a poor state that event is in at the moment. I could see both running around 3:53-55.

It's about time Dibaba broke Junxia's 10k record too - she undoubtedly has the talent. Only a fool would think she doesn't at least have a shot at it after watching that Olympic final.

pr100 wrote:

Another interesting factoid on the PR/doping question. She's arranged for blood samples to be frozen, so they can be retested in the future when better testing techniques are available.

Good luck with that. She was also going to release results of prior doping tests, but none were ever forthcoming.

If anyone out here spouting off about doping wants any real view on who Paula is as a person, rather than just spewing thoughts that immediately come to your head because you never had the COURAGE to train really hard and see your potential and instead label all exceptional performers as "dopers", I suggest you read her book.

It's called Paula, you can get it on Amazon for $10.

Paula got where she did because she prepared to run fast as best as she possibly could IN EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of her life, big or small, and continued to incrementally improve over YEARS AND YEARS.

She capitalized on her strengths, built a strong support team, and mastered both the SCIENCE and the ART of running.

And firstly, and most importantly, SHE LOVES RUNNING!

She had many injuries, hardships, and challenges that she had to overcome along the way, but it was her TOTAL COMMITMENT to the sport that made her so great.

She has been one of the BIGGEST ANTI-DOPING ADVOCATES of her time and she has been tested more than any of her peers.

And she's an amazing person as well.

Paula's 2:15 is off the charts.But, by comparison, the women's half-marathon times are weak. My calculator equates Catherine Ndereba's 2:18:47 previous marathon record to a 1:06:03 -- marginally better than the current 1:06:25 half time of Lorna Kiplagat. (Paula's 2:15:25 equates to a 1:04:28 half!)Today's 1:07-1:09 half times are comparable to today's marathon times of 2:20+.

I like my odds wrote:

As we see elite women barely dipping under 1:10 for a half marathon and winning, or running 1.07-1:09 and approving of their great performance; does this highlight a beamonesque performance by Paula Radcliffe for her marathon wr? Of course, this is what I felt before bolt disposed of mj's 19.32 and rudisha slahed kipketer's record. Thoughts? Is there anyone on the horizon that forseeably could eclipse this record? Vipam?

YOU'RE CRAZY!

there is a formula i like which is pretty good for 1500 - M :

ratio of distances^0.0691729

multiply onto speed for 1 distance to get speed at another

the "equivalent" calibre for a 2"15'25 is

3'49.3

8'01.2

13'50.8

29'03.1

64'33

which tends to agree with the more prescient guys here

slipping on ice wrote:

canadeh wrote:

won world Jnr XC, beating W junxia (WR holder in 3000/10000m)

junxia mistakenly wore flats for that race and was slipping terribly on the ice. there's a video on yt, you can see her slipping and hardly getting anywhere, which is when she got passed. she would have won that race easily wearing spikes.

I can`t find vids of the juniors. Can you post the link?

Thanks.