Webb, I don't know, but I doubt it. Wheating, not a chance in hell. His abilities in the longer distances are very limited. He's a mid-distance guy, no way he steps up out of his comfort zone and breaks one of the most solid WRs ever.
Webb, I don't know, but I doubt it. Wheating, not a chance in hell. His abilities in the longer distances are very limited. He's a mid-distance guy, no way he steps up out of his comfort zone and breaks one of the most solid WRs ever.
Wait, so let me see if I understand the premise of this thread. We're trying to speculate if Alan Webb could break the 3000M WR if he were fitter, faster, more talented and trained harder? Given those advantages, albeit to a greater degree, couldn't any of us do ti?
Webb has run 8:10 for 2 miles @ Pre meet. Subtract 35 seconds, he has run approx. 7:35 for 3000m. If he focused and trained really hard and specific for that distance he might be able to reach 7:26 - 7:28.
Really now, I don't post much, but this is actually ridiculous. I love Alan Webb like my Father/Son/Brother, but let's be realistic.
Dingler wrote:
casual commentary wrote:New coach, lighter racing weight, better form, consistent training through consistent health maybe? That and he's a phenomenal talent.
I hate to break it to you, but even if Webb does make it back from his achilles injury, he is already 28 years old. When they ran their best times, Komen was only 20-21, El Guerroj was 24-25, Lagat was 25-26. More likely than not, Webb's fastest years are already behind him.
Even though he ran his 1500 PR in 2001, 2004 was probably Lagat's best year. If you don't recall, he was the favorite going into The Games, and had beaten El G several times that summer, including a 3:27 effort. He was 29. He was 32 in 2007 when he won his double gold at the WC.
Michael Johnson was a month shy of 32 when he set the 400 world record.
Webb's best years may be ahead.
the real question, could a fit bohner break alan webb?
Dumb question.
YES
TrackCoach wrote:Like I said, the record is not untouchable; you need to be in 'both' about 3:29x and 12:45 at the same time
strictly, that isn't going to be quick enough
it took komen in probable 3'29/12'40 shape to run 7'20, so 12'45 isn't going to be quick enough to do it
3'29.0/12'45 ->7'21.6 , 26'48.7
if you are keeping the 12'45, you need better 1500
3'28.5/12'45 ->7'21.2 , 26'50.6
3'28.0/12'45 ->7'20.8 , 26'52.6
even 3'28.0 only woud get you high-7'20 in a "perfect" race
3'27.75/12'45 ->7'20.6 , 26'53.5
3'27.50/12'45 ->7'20.4 , 26'54.5
3'27.25/12'45 ->7'20.2 , 26'55.4
3'27.00/12'45 ->7'20.0 , 26'56.4
you are likely to need low-3'27 off 12'45 to stand a realistic chance
kartelite wrote:
No, you knucklehead. I was responding to this statement:
the smartest letsrunner wrote:a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance AMERICAN records. please be real here people.
Which it appears you now agree with me with
Maybe you should learn to read before getting your panties in a bunch. And stop contradicting yourself. And take a Zoloft.
A Zoloft? Come now. You're the one calling me a "knuckledhead" - what are you, 50?
The only one with "bunching panties" here is you. I have only said that Webb will never break an AR. FUTURE TENSE. Got it?
(And frankly, as I've said, if the 1609 was raced as often on the circuit as the 1500, Lagat circa 2005 would have had that, too. Comfortably.)
Ventolin, PUT AWAY THE DAMN HORSE CALCULATOR.
if you think low-3'27 is referring to a horse, then you are a moron
[quote]I Am Fleetfoot wrote:
I watched Haile try at Boston Indoor Games in 2003 he failed - Webb aint doing it boys !'
No shit, Watson
ventolin^3 wrote:
if you think low-3'27 is referring to a horse, then you are a moron
I thought we were all morons. By the way, ventolin, darling, I think Hicham and Bernard were the only 2 who had a real shot at 7:20. Bernard ran 7:29 this year off 3:32 and 12:54. I wonder what he could have run off 3:26 and 12:54. Of course, I am not assuming he could have done both simultaneously, but if he could, I'd guess he'd have been around 7:23.
jennifer cruz wrote:Bernard ran 7:29 this year off 3:32 and 12:54
3'32/12'54 ->7'27.3
he ran 7'29, but looked a little tired at season end
I wonder what he could have run off 3:26 and 12:54. Of course, I am not assuming he could have done both simultaneously, but if he could, I'd guess he'd have been around 7:23.
3'26/12'54 ->7'22.2
he said in recent letsrun interview that he really hated the 3k around '00/'01 as it hurt too much & stayed with the 1500 for many more years
ventolin^3 wrote:
if you think low-3'27 is referring to a horse, then you are a moron
No, you are the moron if you don't get my obvious point:
Your little horsie calculator was not parameterized with human data, and thus its predictions are useless.
You have yet to give one example of when it has been accurate.
moron
what part of 3'29/3'30 with 12'39/12'40 or 3'29/3'30 with 12'50 for 3k didn't your peabrain comprehend ?
now f*** off, your wasting my time
this is a guy who couda frightened the 3k wr - you had to see him run in '03 - truely a monstahttp://www.iaaf.org/news/athletes/newsid=27394.html
Abraham Chebii may be the most explosive kicker in recent distance running history. Even in an era in which a top-class 5000 runner has to be able to close a 13:00 race with a 55 second last lap, Chebii stands out. In the Grand Prix Final at the end of the 2002 season, he clocked 50.68 for his last 400 meters, and he didn't start his full sprint until 250 to go. As he says, however, "It is easy to kick when the pace is slow. You must be able to follow a fast pace and then kick." Which is what he trained himself to do over the 2002-2003 off-season. The most convincing evidence of that training's effectiveness came in the Rome GL, where Haile Gebrselassie, having been outsprinted by Chebii in Paris, started driving for home from 600 meters out, with Kenenisa Bekele and Chebii in tow. Haile was spent by the final turn and moved wide to let Kenenisa through, but Chebii slipped through the gap as well and bounded after the sprinting Kenenisa. He passed the Ethiopian with 50 to go and was timed at sub-25 for his last 200 -- in a 12:57 race
he musta had 50-flat speed ( did run a 50.68 last lap ) & had 27'04 ability in '01 prior to his annus mirabilis in '03
he couda had 49.5 - 50.0 / 26'50 - 27'00 ability in '03
50.0 / 27'00 ->3'30.3 , 7'24.5 , 12'50.2
50.0 / 26'50 ->3'29.7 , 7'22.6 , 12'46.3
49.5 / 27'00 ->3'29.2 , 7'23.1 , 12'48.9
49.5 / 26'50 ->3'28.6 ! , 7'21.2 !, 12'44.9
really is unfortunate his peak lasted only for about 3 or 4 races
The other one who could have possibly cracked 7:25 was Isaac Songok. After all, he did run 3:30.99 and 12:48.66. He did run 7:28 but he could have run faster...
he did move from 1500 to longer distances
i'm not sure he had 3'30 ability when he ran 12'48, but he did go 3'31.7/12'52.2 in '05
3'31.7/12'52.2 ->7'26.4
being generous to him that year : 3'31.0/12'50
->7'25.1
the lack of quality pacing & hesitancy to take on the pace by the elite guys at 2k hurts them a lot
they usually get a 2'28/2'29 initial km but 2nd one is invariably bad & they go thru in about 5'00/5'02
you really can't expect to come back in 2'23/2'25 to get your 7'25
the key is to take on the pace in middle of 2nd km when pacer is flagging, but they never do it as they don't want to run last 1500m solo & potentially be shot at by a kicker on last lap
i've seen 1/2 dozen+ races end up at 7'28 when they couda gone close to 7'25 if they'd shown the balls & taken the race by the scruff of the neck 1/2 way thru
You mention 3:31.7 and 12:52.2 in '05. But remember, he ran 3:31.85 in '06 when he ran 12:48. So if you were really being generous to him, you'd give him 3:31 and 12:48, and you'd probably have a high 7:24.
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
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