Marion Jones

Some coked up Brit hit the nail on the head. I'm not a right-winger by a long shot and your posts on this thread reek of hypocrisy as Brit has pointed out already.

You don't know that LA is in California. For all we know, we live in the Matrix and LA and California only exist as code, or perhaps the entire world is conspiring against you in order to deceive you into believing this fact, when in fact it is wrong. Descartes once came to the conclusion that the only thing that he could KNOW for certain was that he existed (I think therefore I am).

In science, if you claim to know something, you can be picked apart, no matter how strong the evidence to support your beliefs. I, personally, don't hold people to that standard in everyday conversations. If somebody says they know that Jones is a pathological liar, I'm not going to quibble with them, as I know what they mean.

Call cnn wrote:

Since Uncle B just got bitch slapped out of his own thread, I'd like to change the topic and and pose a question. Is Uncle B really a little, old, white man living in Provo, Utah?

Good question. Or is he some 17 year-old kid living in his parents' basement? Perhaps Uncle B would be kind enough to tell us a bit about himself. My opinion is that he's a really active troll who believes none of the crap that he spews, but enjoys the attention that ensues from the controversies he instigates.

[quote]Some Coked Up Brit wrote:

> "What BS. Know means know. You do know LA is in Cali. You don't know Marion used drugs. R U telling me you cannot discern a difference? Dumb, dishonest, or both -- let the readers be the judge."

I have a lot of evidence for both statements. I am 100% certain of neither.

You are not certain LA is in Cali?

No point in taliking to you. Time to put the coke down

the price is wrong wrote:

I, personally, don't hold people to that standard in everyday conversations. If somebody says they know that Jones is a pathological liar, I'm not going to quibble with them, as I know what they mean.

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No, you mean you agree with them; therefore they are correct in what passes for your mind

the Real UncleB wrote:

You are not certain LA is in Cali?

No point in taliking to you. Time to put the coke down

I didn't write I wasn't certain though, did I? Kindly read carefully what I'm writing. I wrote I wasn't "100%" certain and I (and others) explained the phiolosphical and logical underpinnings of what it means to be 100% certain of something.

Just because you don't understand rhetoric, it's not my problem.

One of the real travesties here is that Conte was able to walk away from this with what, a three month sentence - he was the instigator. I believe he should have served years in prison. Oh no, wait he is.....................you fill it in.

This is like a good office episode from season 1 or 2. The confident Michael Scott goes down in flames and you can't help but watch the cringeworthy entertainment. Probably more like the British Office actually. I Almost feel bad for the guy.

Not so sure. Uncle B is wound tighter than a nun's cornhole, and while I'm sure he believes he is a worthy debater, his rebuttals are defensive and lacking in substance. He is a worthy troll though. A troll who cares.

Some Coked Up Brit wrote:

[quote]the Real UncleB wrote:

You are not certain LA is in Cali?

No point in taliking to you. Time to put the coke down

I didn't write I wasn't certain though, did I?

There is a difference between knowing something and being certain of it? That is the basis of your argument? that you can know marion was a drug cheat but not be certain of it?

And you call what I have written BS? Please.

The whole point of my original post is that people should be less quick to claim to know things that they just in fact believe or suspect.

Call cnn wrote:

Not so sure. Uncle B is wound tighter than a nun's cornhole, and while I'm sure he believes he is a worthy debater, his rebuttals are defensive and lacking in substance. He is a worthy troll though. A troll who cares.

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Do you ever tire of being just another drooling moron in the Amen corner. The "hooray for us, we all think alike" crew.

the Real UncleB wrote:

Do you ever tire of being just another drooling moron in the Amen corner. The "hooray for us, we all think alike" crew.

I rest my case.

I'm glad none of my uncles were jerks

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I didn't write I wasn't certain though, did I?

There is a difference between knowing something and being certain of it? That is the basis of your argument? that you can know marion was a drug cheat but not be certain of it?

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Do please stop selectively quoting me and attributing arguments to me that are not mine. I'm getting really sick of your ineffectual semantic bullshit and obfuscation.

I have already expressed my argument in clear and simple terms (see my first post on this thread) and you have failed to understand it, probably willfully. I don't think a repetion of my argument is going to convince you.

The basis of my argument is NOT that there is a difference between "knowing something" and "being certain of it" (although of course there is obviously a linguistic and semantic nuance between these two different expressions which I'm sure you use differently depending on circumstance). More obviously there is a difference between "knowing something" and "being 100% certain of something".

My argument actually doesn't lie in these tedious semantic differences: not being the NAZI that you are I am usually comfortable with language being simply a tool for communication and people sometimes using words liberally. (I tend to be fairly careful with language mysef, as a lawyer, but I recognise that lots of other people aren't.)

My point is simply that you hold others to a standard that you do not meet yourself. You are not happy for people to use "know" with respect to Marion's patently obvious PED use. People on this thread are not saying that they "know" she took PEDs because she is black. They don't care if she is black, white, pink or green, they simply care that she made a mockery of the sport that we love and denied good, hard wording women (many of whom are black too of course) their day on the podium in Sydney. And we say this because of the huge body of evidence that she did take PEDs, all of which we've looked at carefully.

You may want to be part of the conspiracy of silence and I'm cool with that. Perhaps you don't love the sport the way we do. But let us say us use the word "know" with respect to Marion and PEDs: it is the least we can do in our struggle to keep our sport clean.

I'm off to a Christmas party - it's evening here in London.

What is really cool is that there are going to be some hot middle Eastern chicks at this party, both Jews and Arabs who will be there to celebrate peacefully. And I might end up doing the dirty with one of them, so won't be reading this thread any more this evening.

Suck on that Uncle B and Merry Christmas to you and everyone else.

Congrats to Cuffe and Verzbicas (currently leading).

The Real UncleB wrote:

How can people "know' Marion Jones was a drug cheat when she never tested positive for drugs?

She did "admit" to it as part of a plea bargain, but she would not be the first innocent person to admit to a crime as part of a deal with the justice system.

She has also admitted to it in all of her interviews.

She says she didn't know that what she took were banned PED's.

But she has publicly admitted taking PED's with no plea bargain involved.

The Real UncleB wrote:

The less intelligent you are the more sure you are of your opinions. And the more likely you are to be racist and/or a right winger

this is classic - is there anyone in the world more convinced of his own opinions than this moron?

The Real UncleB wrote:

How can people "know' Marion Jones was a drug cheat when she never tested positive for drugs?

She did "admit" to it as part of a plea bargain, but she would not be the first innocent person to admit to a crime as part of a deal with the justice system.

The less intelligent you are the more sure you are of your opinions. And the more likely you are to be racist and/or a right winger

Well, let's consider the evidence. Two former husbands snitched on her and admitted using drugs themselves, Tim Montgomery having testified in Federal Court, mountains of hard evidence was found in the BALCO raid, including drug schedules with her name on them, emails and checks. Conte described her drug regimen in detail. She was coached by not just one, but two of the biggest drug coaches in history, one of whose athletes continued testing positive long after Tim and Marion left. Yup, must be RACISM.

The Real UncleB wrote:

How can people "know' Marion Jones was a drug cheat when she never tested positive for drugs?

She did "admit" to it as part of a plea bargain, but she would not be the first innocent person to admit to a crime as part of a deal with the justice system.

The less intelligent you are the more sure you are of your opinions. And the more likely you are to be racist and/or a right winger

...The less intelligent you are the more sure you are of your opinions. ...

And you are the perfect example.

i'm sorry, but there is no way this guy exists. no way anybody is this stupid. after several years, i have concluded that he has to be a troll, and a masterful one at that. well done, good sir.