Cliff Lee: One of the greatest postseason pitchers ever

Cliff Lee is a redneck wrote:

Hey, don't worry Cliff, even when your team gets knocked out, your "favorite time of the year" is coming up, Nov 13, the start of hunting season in Ark. Soon you can shoot some defenseless animals, and feel proud of yourself. What a redneck.

I agree with you on the playoff round thing, but what the hell do you care if he hunts? Nothing wrong with a little organic, free range meat for dinner.

Rangers are in trouble! Will Cliff Lee get another start? Game 4? They're going to need a great performance if they use him.

Rangers will win the next two for sure.

Cliff Lee is the man, but you were jumping on his jock before the guy even had a chance to execute. He may come back next year and slay like Timmy Lincecum, but you sir, are a freaking dumbass. For the record, Bob Gibson for the mf'n win.

presumptuous wrote:

Cliff Lee is the man, but you were jumping on his jock before the guy even had a chance to execute. He may come back next year and slay like Timmy Lincecum, but you sir, are a freaking dumbass. For the record, Bob Gibson for the mf'n win.

Cliff Lee is one of the greatest postseason pitchers ever, and I am proud to be called a dumbass by an intellectual midget who cannot even recognize or appreciate genius. Lee is better in the postseason than Bob Gibson.

Cliff Lee's stock recovered a bit tonight, but still 0-2 in this year's WS. I estimate he cost himself $20M on his next contract - had he been dominant the Yankees might have shown him the big $$. Now he's just pretty good, and not fit to carry Thin Tim's jock.

jesse was a friend wrote:

Lee is (not)better in the postseason than (anyone that has actually won).

You're welcome.

and the mound was six inches higher

jesse was a friend wrote:

And remember, Bob Gibson was NOT pitching against designated hitters in these games...and in 1968 the National League ERA average was 2.83, the lowest since 1919...it was a pitcher's era, and so Cliff Lee's postseason numbers are actually much more impressive...The major leagues average ERA in 2010 was 4.07 with 4.02 for the NL and 4.14 for the AL. Lee's numbers are much more impressive in a hitter's era.

Are you kidding? In 1968 his ERA was 1.12 and his ERA plus was +258. 13 shutouts, and a WHIP of .852. Oh yeah, and then Gibson actually went and WON SOMETHING in the post-season.

Pitchers he beat that season:

Tom Seaver

Fergie Jenkins

Don Drysdale

Juan Marichal

1968 was a year of the pitcher, but outside of that the difference in ERAs between the eras is typically less than a run per game. In 1970 the league ERA was 3.89 and Gibson went 23-7, 3.12 ERA, 274 Ks and a 1.190 WHIP. The league batting average/OBP/slugging was 254/326/385...this year it was 257/325/403. The game isn't as ancient as many would like to think.

#55 SF Giants, two Cy Youngs, now two world series wins. Take that Cliff!

Baseball Fan wrote:

As a Phillies fan you should realize that the Phillies were never going to have both Halladay and Lee. The idea was that they didn't have enough money for both pitchers. That's why they had to ship Lee out to Seattle in order to get Halladay. They made the decision (the right decision) that Halladay was the better pitcher, and they would pay him. They didn't have the money for both pitchers. Oswalt was a great trade for them. He has been consistently good to very good for a decade or so. Considering the fact that Halladay/Lee as a 1/2 combo was NEVER going to happen---it was an impossibility financially for the Phils, Halladay/Oswalt is about as good as it gets.

So it looks like the Phillies are getting back Cliff Lee.

And keeping Halladay.

And keeping Oswalt.

And keeping Hamels.

(We'll see if all of that holds up)

This is crazy.

What they all have in coomon, besides having a Cy Young award or a World Series MVP award, is that they all lost to the Giants last year in the post-season.

So the Phillies traded away Cliff Lee last year to get prospects. They get to keep the prospects and get back Cliff Lee.

But the Phils lost a big stick in Jason Werth. And Cliff Lee remains WAYYYY overrated.

slackderdom wrote:

But the Phils lost a big stick in Jason Werth. And Cliff Lee remains WAYYYY overrated.

Agreed.

Werth is gone and Lee wouldn't have helped the Phillies beat the Giants.

But Lee is still one of the best today and the Yankees didn't get him.

Apparently the Yankees offered him $160M for 7 years and he took "only" $100M for 5 years with the Phils.

Moral victory.

The loss of Werth is big, but he will not be a threat while playing for the Nationals.

Trading oswalt or hamels for a big bat is a possibility.

Nice move getting back Lee. I don't see them getting rid of Oswalt or Hamels. Joe Blanton should be the first to get shipped. J-Roll, as much as I love him, should head to Oakland to finish out his career, but he'll probably stay put this season. Dominic Brown can replace Werth, but it will take a while for him to produce. They mention trading Ibanez, but then they'd need to replace two outfielders. Getting Rowand back might not be a bad idea since he can also fill in at center. Whatever happens, I'm stoked for their starting 4.

So Cliff Lee just completed his third consecutive complete game shutout.

It seems he is OK in the regular season too.

But he sucked in the WS last year, which is all that really matters. Go Giants!

Andy Pettite is the best PO pitcher in the past 20 years.