No more group for Jonesy

Hot? Mostly grenades in that bunch, bro, if you know what I mean.

the express bus wrote:

BX is not the minor league affiliate. These club runners are why Jonesy is coaching in the first place.

Don't lie, Jones got his start coaching a group in Boulder with Tempo Sports which became Boulder Harriers, BX grew out of the unsponsored guys who liked hanging around with the Tempo Sports guys, and BX hasn't raced as a team since the marathon club relay champs years ago and it was only guys then, no women. Of course Jones is all about these women runners now, they gladly pay for the association.

I'll let you remain ignorant, instead of correcting you.

Jones started with Pete Julian. The original group name was BX, then it became Boulder Distance Project, then back to BX. Tempo Sports only came after BX had been around for awhile, and Jorge joined.

So, in other words, you're wrong.

Just because Jonesy was a tough SOB and a great racer does not mean he can coach. Numerous guys have left Jonesy due to the fact that he does not communicate at all with any of them except with girls having relationship problems or any of them that make him feel young again!!

I wish Hartmann and Rizzo all the best and obviously they made a business decision to go elsewhere. Majority supported Ritz when he left Hudson!

Obviously it is hard to judge there run off only 3 weeks with Troop but now the microscope will be on them and in time we will see if the move was right or they should have just put up with all the drama and continued to go South with their running.

Yes Cabada and Hartmann both ran well under Jonesy in the first initial phase but look at all the OTC guys that have ran well when they have made a similiar change. One good race does not constitute it was necessarily the right move in the initial honeymoon period.. Maybe Jonesy is good, maybe it was just the placebo effect but in time we will find out.

On a side not I had heard from numerous sources Jonesy did not want to coach and fell into with Alan Culpepper and Peter Julian. Even then Jonesy was to administer Alan's training. Must be tough seeing someone everyday that doesn't really want to be there..

Be Fair wrote:

Obviously it is hard to judge there run off only 3 weeks with Troop but now the microscope will be on them and in time we will see if the move was right or they should have just put up with all the drama and continued to go South with their running.

Are you frickin kidding? No one cares about these guys until they run 2:09. Hartmann has a chance to be important, but no one outside of D3 even knows who Rizzo is.

Is Jonesy Running Chicago? RT article mentioned he was shooting for a 2:25

Be Fair wrote:

Yes Cabada and Hartmann both ran well under Jonesy in the first initial phase but look at all the OTC guys that have ran well when they have made a similiar change. One good race does not constitute it was necessarily the right move in the initial honeymoon period.. Maybe Jonesy is good, maybe it was just the placebo effect but in time we will find out.

I don't think you can placebo effect your way to a 2:12 marathon like Hartmann ran last year. Its late so I won't look it up but I seem to recall he ran pretty well throughout 2009, not just twin cities. Cabada like other said will always jump around, so thats likely not Jones fault.

Of course you will, because Jones never said jack about BX to the press and never had reason to.

Be Fair wrote:

Yes Cabada and Hartmann both ran well under Jonesy in the first initial phase but look at all the OTC guys that have ran well when they have made a similiar change. One good race does not constitute it was necessarily the right move in the initial honeymoon period.. Maybe Jonesy is good, maybe it was just the placebo effect but in time we will find out.

Roger Sterling wrote:

I don't think you can placebo effect your way to a 2:12 marathon like Hartmann ran last year. Its late so I won't look it up but I seem to recall he ran pretty well throughout 2009, not just twin cities. Cabada like other said will always jump around, so thats likely not Jones fault.

Maybe not, but the previous 3-6 months of training doesn't have more to do with the performance than the 9-24 months that preceded that does.

Did anybody else read this and think Sigur Ros were breaking up?

Roger Sterling wrote:

Cabada like other said will always jump around, so thats likely not Jones fault.

No one quitting a group should ever fall on the coach. Is Jonesy the same man now as he was when he took these ass clowns? Yes he is, the athletes just couldn't handle it.

Show me a coach that has changed drastically from when the athlete came in? This is just weak minded athletes.

Fernado had his best year before he was with jonesy.. 2006. read and educate yourself sir.

http://www.mensracing.com/athletes/interviews/2006/fernandocabada051906.html

weak minded ??, think before you speak. elite athletes are coming in and out of the group within months, "sub elites".. some are sticking around. people that depend on running as their livelihood to become great athletes are leaving, the ones that don't are staying. quote " Is Jonesy the same man now as he was when he took these ass clowns? " how do you know if he is or isn't?" if you do know then you obviously you have a strong bias towards this conversation, and you know the answer . quote . "Show me a coach that has changed drastically from when the athlete came in? " this isn't just one athlete, it's about 8 sir in the last year..

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Is Jonesy the same man now as he was when he took these ass clowns? Yes he is, the athletes just couldn't handle it.

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No he is not! He is a totally different person and as posters have pointed out that more have left him in the last 12 months than have stayed in both his elite group and his sub elite group (BX) so it shows there is a problem.

I will bet dollars to buttons that all of these athletes that left would not be welcomed back to ANY group that they left. They were all disruptions. Simmons did way more for Fernando than Fernando did for Simmons. Hansens made Rizzo. Hartmann was coached by Hudson as a favor to Ritz. These 3 guys were all lucky as hell that Jonesy allowed them to train with his group. They think they added to the group. They only added to the headaches.

Quitters are quitters wrote:

I will bet dollars to buttons that all of these athletes that left would not be welcomed back to ANY group that they left. They were all disruptions. Simmons did way more for Fernando than Fernando did for Simmons. Hansens made Rizzo. Hartmann was coached by Hudson as a favor to Ritz. These 3 guys were all lucky as hell that Jonesy allowed them to train with his group. They think they added to the group. They only added to the headaches.

What about his other group? No elites but most of the guys have left..

Don't get too excited, these athletes create themselves. A coach can spew out workouts all day long, but the athletes have to do the work. In Rizzo's case, he works hard, and he works harder when he is surrounded by other good runners like at Hansons. Kevin Hanson didn't "make" Rizzo, Steve Jones didn't "make" Rizzo, even the great Al Carrius didn't "make" Rizzo, rather Rizzo made Rizzo, and the athletes that he has surrounded himself with helped him along the way.

I hate it when people assume that a coach is going to change everything. It is the athlete that is responsible for doing the work. If you don't like your coach, then leave, Rizzo has done this twice now.

Chipper Jones wrote:

I hate it when people assume that a coach is going to change everything.

We agree 100%. However, all of these quitters don't. If they did they would remain where they are. Afterall, a coach has nothing to do with their success but yet they blame the coach. I don't really know Rizzo as he has only been around for a brief time but he has been a whiner since day one. He bitches about everything and will not be missed here. Probably the same with Hansens. I would love to hear what Keith and Kevin thought of him.

In correct Pussy . . . I mean Pussy Cat lover.

BX was the original group formed when Julian and Jones got together, plus some other local guys.

Tempo Spot and Harriers grew out of that several years later, no matter what the media states.