WHO was the best Steeplechaser of the decade of the 70s?

Eldrick, here's what your all-time world list looked like on Jan 1 1980. In bold are the guys in my 70s rankings.

1 8:05.4 1978 Henry Rono KEN 3

2 8:08.0 1976 Anders Gärderud SWE 2

3 8:09.1 1976 Bronislaw Malinowski POL 1

4 8:10.4 1976 Frank Baumgartl GDR 6

5 8:12.6 1976 Tapio Kantanen FIN 7

6 8:13.9 1973 Benjamin Jipcho KEN 4

7 8:14.1 1977 Michael Karst FRG 5

8 8:15.3 1976 Dan Glans SWE 10

9 8:16.1 1976 Gheorghe Cefan ROU 11

10 8:16.9 1978 Patriz Ilg FRG

11 8:18.3 1978 Ismo Toukonen FIN

12 8:18.8 1974 Franco Fava ITA 12

13 8:19.0 1976 Dennis Coates GBR

14 8:19.3 1978 Doug Brown USA

15 8:19.4 1976 Gerd Frähmcke FRG

16 8:19.5 1978 Krzysztof Wesolowski POL

17 8:19.6 1975 Yohannes Mohamed ETH

18 8:19.8 1975 Jürgen Straub GDR

19 8:20.2 1975 Boualem Rahoui ALG

20 8:20.4 1978 Paul Copu ROU 13

21 8:21.0 1977 Eshetu Tura ETH

22 8:21.0 1976 José Campos ESP

23 8:21.1 1976 Euan Robertson NZL

24 8:21.5 1977 Henry Marsh USA 15

25 8:21.6 1977 James Munyala KEN 14

26 8:21.6 1974 Ryuji Koyama JPN

27 8:21.7 1978 George Malley USA

28 8:22.0 1970 Kerry O'Brien AUS 9

29 8:22.2 1969 Vladimiras Dudinas LTU

30 8:22.5 1976 Willi Maier FRG

31 8:22.5 1974 John Davies GBR

32 8:22.6 1978 Julian Marsay RSA

33 8:22.7 1979 Mariano Scartezzini ITA

34 8:22.8 1979 Wolfgang Konrad AUT

35 8:22.8 1978 Paul Thijs BEL

36 8:22.8 1976 Vladimir Lisovskiy BLR

37 8:22.8 1976 John Bicourt GBR

38 8:22.8 1977 Ron Addison USA

39 8:22.9 1979 George Kiprotich Rono KEN

40 8:23.0 1979 Boguslaw Maminski POL

41 8:23.1 1979 Amos Korir KEN

42 8:23.4 1976 Vladimir Filonov RUS

43 8:23.4 1975 Kazimierz Maranda POL

44 8:23.4 1969 Aleksandr Morozov RUS

45 8:23.6 1973 Gérard Buchheit FRA

46 8:23.6 1972 Kipchoge Keino KEN

47 8:23.7 1979 Hillary Tuwei KEN

48 8:23.7 1972 Amos Biwott KEN

49 8:23.8 1972 Dusan Moravcik CZE

50 8:24.0 1975 Nathan Ndege Langat KEN

51 8:24.0 1979 Sergey Yepishin RUS

52 8:24.0 1978 Sergey Olizaryenko UKR

53 8:24.0 1976 Aleksandr Velichko UKR

54 8:24.0 1973 Evans Mogaka KEN

55 8:24.2 1968 Jouko Kuha FIN

56 8:24.6 1975 Leopold Tomaszewicz POL

57 8:24.6 1975 Tadeusz Zielinski POL

58 8:24.6 1972 Anders Gärderud SWE

59 8:24.9 1978 Vasile Bichea ROU

Whatever, those times you cite only back up what I have said.

malmo wrote:

[quote]ryan foreman wrote:

What universe are you in?

Not yours.

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Henry in 3rd is fair.

He didn't run the event much ( albeit winning Commonwealth gold ) & he did lose to the Pole ( albeit in a 8'15 ( not something like <8'10 ) which indicates Henry was bushed, as he shouda been able to outsprint the guy in a 8'15 race ( he had 7'32 speed & probably capable of 3'34 that year ))

Interesting thing woud be, how fast woud Henry's WR have to have been to get 2nd or 1st in the rankings ( i.e. is there a time fast enough to counter his sporadic contestation of the event & loss ? ) ?

how did you decide taht it was time to talk about your pr? just because you were alive in the time period mentioned in the thread?

ventolin^2 wrote:

Henry in 3rd is fair.

He didn't run the event much ( albeit winning Commonwealth gold ) & he did lose to the Pole ( albeit in a 8'15 ( not something like <8'10 ) which indicates Henry was bushed, as he shouda been able to outsprint the guy in a 8'15 race ( he had 7'32 speed & probably capable of 3'34 that year ))

Interesting thing woud be, how fast woud Henry's WR have to have been to get 2nd or 1st in the rankings ( i.e. is there a time fast enough to counter his sporadic contestation of the event & loss ? ) ?

I'd say that to be consider the best of the decade, one single performance, no matter how fast, isn't good enough. FWIW, the actual result of that 1975 race in Christchurch was 8:34.4

Rono

8:17.92 1 NCAA Champaign IL 2 Jun 1979

8:05.4h 1 Seattle WA 13 May 1978

8:12.39 1 NCAA Eugene OR 3 Jun 1978

8:14.75 1 Eugene OR 15 Apr 1978

8:15.82 1 Al Jazair 25 Jul 1978

8:16.2h 1 Mombasa 17 Jun 1978

8:16.8h 1 Helsinki 28 Jun 1978

8:17.51 2 Koblenz 7 Sep 1978

8:31.1 2 NCAA Champaign IL 4-Jun 1977

8:29.0 1 Mombasa 19-Jun 1976

8:34.4 6 Christchurch 25-Jan 1975

malmo wrote:I'd say that to be consider the best of the decade, one single performance, no matter how fast, isn't good enough

Well, we have the Chinese gals who ran their fastest times in that 1 meet back home in '93. They didn't repeat 3'50, 8'06 or 29'31 ever again ( or close ), but I doubt you'll find anyone who'll argue that Qu or Wang weren't the best 1500, 3k & 10k gals of the decade.

This post and thread are a little mixed upI'm not sure the post is wrong, but in context, it does appear to confuse a bunch of other postings in the same threadBen Jipcho won the 1974 Commonwealth Games in Christchurch on 8:20.8Henry Rono won the 1978 Commonwealth Games in Edmonton in 8:26.54.Anders Garderud never won a Commonwealth Games, he was (is) SwedishMy vote, by the way, for the best steepler of the 70's would go to Garderud. He won Montreal with a WR. He may well have been beaten had the Kenyans been in Montreal, but they weren't. The same kind of statement could be made about Viren, Juantorena, probably even Walker--but in the Track and Field News ranking system, a WR in the Games counts for an awful lot. And Garderud did beat some big guys in the Games, including Malinowski and Kantanenjch

George Webbs wrote:

Anders Garderud set a WR in the 1976 Olympics. That's pretty significant.

The mark Rono smashed two years later (in a college dual meet, right?)

Anders doesn't get nearly enough credit for his career.

I saw him run a number of times in Sweden; probably ran in some of the same meets. Anders was an amazing runner and ruled the steeple for some time. There was just no one around him most of the time.

I remember an average, intermediate hurdler from Cal State L.A. who took up the steeple after college and ran for Joe Douglas and the SMTC when they were in their heyday. Bill McCullough. He ended up running around 8:27 or so and got 2nd behind Henry Marsh one year at Nationals. Who would have thought it! Malmo: do you remember this guy? What did you 'career steeplechasers' think of an I.H. guy making this jump?

Just sayin it wrote:

George Webbs wrote:

Anders Garderud set a WR in the 1976 Olympics. That's pretty significant.

The mark Rono smashed two years later (in a college dual meet, right?)

Anders doesn't get nearly enough credit for his career.

I saw him run a number of times in Sweden; probably ran in some of the same meets. Anders was an amazing runner and ruled the steeple for some time. There was just no one around him most of the time.

The fact that Garderud broke the world record four times does pad his resume.

Ever-obsessed with Keino's steepling feats - his Munich win (a somewhat tactical affair) was only 1.6 seconds off the existing WR (Kerry O'Brien) at the time. I think Keino ran his first steeple in Japan in May 1972. I don't think he ever ran more than four steeples total.

Does Malmo have results of 1974 & 1978 European steeples that he could post?

Thanking in advance.

Henry Marsh Appears on the List for top ranked in the 1980's a lot. I know it's not the title of the thread, but there is a video on youtube of him that is worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1HsoHvQBI8

relic from the 70s wrote:

This post and thread are a little mixed up

I'm not sure the post is wrong, but in context, it does appear to confuse a bunch of other postings in the same thread

Ben Jipcho won the 1974 Commonwealth Games in Christchurch on 8:20.8

Henry Rono won the 1978 Commonwealth Games in Edmonton in 8:26.54.

Anders Garderud never won a Commonwealth Games, he was (is) Swedish

I think you're a bit mixed up. No one ever said that Jipcho or Rono didn't win those CWGames. Likewise, no one ever said that Garderud ever ran/won a CWGames.

If Frank Baumgardl wouldn't have hit that last hurdle, he would have won the gold in '76....but, being from east germany, he was probably 'dirty' anyway.

Hi Malmo.That steeplechaser from Benton.Maine was pretty good back in the late 70's and early 80's.(Bruce Bickford)If I remember correctly he showed a ton of promisebut decided to concentrate on flat races.What is your recollection of Bickfords career?

Mr.Double Loop wrote:

Hi Malmo.That steeplechaser from Benton.Maine was pretty good back in the late 70's and early 80's.(Bruce Bickford)If I remember correctly he showed a ton of promisebut decided to concentrate on flat races.What is your recollection of Bickfords career?

Bick made the correct move by switching to the flat.

Silly Old Fossil wrote:

The fact that Garderud broke the world record four times does pad his resume.

Ever-obsessed with Keino's steepling feats - his Munich win (a somewhat tactical affair) was only 1.6 seconds off the existing WR (Kerry O'Brien) at the time. I think Keino ran his first steeple in Japan in May 1972. I don't think he ever ran more than four steeples total.

Does Malmo have results of 1974 & 1978 European steeples that he could post?

Thanking in advance.

1971 Euro Ch Helsinki

1 8.25.2 Jean-Paul Villain FRA

2 8.26.2 Dusan Moravcík TCH

3 8.26.4 Pavel Sysoyev URS

4 8.27.0 Romualdas Bite URS

5 8.31.0 Mikko Ala-Leppilampi FIN

6 8.32.2 Georgi Tikhov BUL

7 8.33.2 Kazimierz Maranda POL

8 8.35.2 Josef Rebacz POL

1974 Euro Ch Rome

1 8.15.0 Bronislaw Malinowski POL

2 8.15.4 Anders Gärderud SWE

3 8.18.0 Michael Karst FRG

4 8.19.0 Franco Fava ITA

5 8.26.2 Hanspeter Wehrli SUI

6 8.26.2 Gheorhe Cefan ROM

7 8.26.6 Gerd Frähmcke FRG

8 8.30.2 Gérard Buchheit FRA

1978 Euro Ch Prague

1 8.15.1 Bronislaw Malinowski POL

2 8.16.9 Patriz Ilg FRG

3 8.18.3 Ismu Toukonen FIN

4 8.19.0 Michael Karst GDR

5 8.20.4 Paul Copu ROM

6 8.24.9 Vasile Bichea ROM

7 8.38.0 Frantisek Bartos TCH

8 8:40.1 Manfred Schoeneberg FRG

Silly Old Fossil wrote:Ever-obsessed with Keino's steepling feats - his Munich win (a somewhat tactical affair) was only 1.6 seconds off the existing WR (Kerry O'Brien) at the time. I think Keino ran his first steeple in Japan in May 1972. I don't think he ever ran more than four steeples total

8' 22" 0+ Kerry O'Brien, AUS, 04 Jul 1970, Berlin

8:23.64 Kip Keino KEN

i didn't realise he was so close to the record ( i thought record at time was <8'20 ) !

reports were that it was a tactical affair & obviously he couda run <8'20 if it had been on the circuit

kip couda been the 1st man since ?nurmi to have held the 3000, 5000 & 3000sc wrs in his career ( albeit not simultaneously ) !!!

as a slight aside

In 1971 Dave Bedford ran his first and last steeplechase - he stepped on every barrier yet still broke the British record, clocking 8min. 28.6sec

Thanks Malmo.