asdsad. wrote:
I would like to have asked Salazar what he saw in Webb's 2007 log book that made him think that Webb can still do better?
Maybe he also reviewed the pharmaceutical logs and knows he can do better.
asdsad. wrote:
I would like to have asked Salazar what he saw in Webb's 2007 log book that made him think that Webb can still do better?
Maybe he also reviewed the pharmaceutical logs and knows he can do better.
ventolin, how do 1:43.8 and 27:34 indicate 3:26 or 3:27?
Komen at 3:29 ran 12:39 or so, indicative of 26:20s, while Aouita ran 12:58, 27:17 and 3:29 with a 1:43? right?
Komen's ideal distance was under 5k (3k) and Aouita's a cheat so he doesn't count
Grand Designs wrote:
Komen's ideal distance was under 5k (3k) and Aouita's a cheat so he doesn't count
Komen never ran a 10k at his peak, only after he burned out / was out of shape. With a 12:39, he'd have no problem breaking 27 off of the strength of that.
I agree Komen would be able to break 27:00, though 26:2x is a stretch.
jjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:ventolin, how do 1:43.8 and 27:34 indicate 3:26 or 3:27?
Komen at 3:29 ran 12:39 or so, indicative of 26:20s, while Aouita ran 12:58, 27:17 and 3:29 with a 1:43? right?
this is only a webb question - komen is for another day
trying
http://www.jundo.co.uk1'43.84 / 27'34.72 ->
48.00
2'12.95
3'28.02
3'44.78
4'45.48
7'25.40
this doesn't take into account that his 800 was run very poorly at 50+/53+ splits - too fast 400 for him, but as a racer he fought back to win
off 51+, he'd likely have run low/mid 1'43 ( call it 1'43.25 - 1'43.50 )
as for his 10k, you can whack what you want off it - it was a tag-team effort & i doubt the 2 were anywhere close to flat-out with 27'30s
i'd try more like 27'20 - 27'25
you got 3'28.02 above off actual clocks in succesive years
off more likely
1'43.25 - 1'43.50 / 27'20 - 27'25
you'd have to ask nicely...
ventolin^2 wrote:
1'43.84 / 27'34.72
The power learning curve indicates a 1500m time of 3:26.9 based on those two parameters. This can be off considerably due to slightly different training for the two events, i.e. the 800 was run with 800 training not 10k training and visa versa. All training conditions would need to be exactly the same for the prediction to have validity. Also it is simply a mathematical prediction, not considering other physical factors that might influence the results. Even so, he could probably could have run 3:27 with optimal training and more intelligent racing than he did.
Also the formula is not as accurate for the shorter
distances. For example it is way off for 100 and 200.
3'26.9 is too fast for 1'43.84 / 27'34.72 - that calculator gives it as 3'28-flat
i'd be interested to know where you get 3'26.9 from
as for the combined 800/10k, i said at the start
"if he coud combine the holy grail" of 1'43+/27'34 simultaneously"
i made no claim he did, just that that wouda been the ideal
mathematical prediction it may be, but i've found no better anywhere
J.R. wrote:Also the formula is not as accurate for the shorter
distances. For example it is way off for 100 and 200.
on the homepage, it says "distances no shorter than 400m"
i presume that is because 100m is not run at even pace & nor really is 200m & the latter has the assymmetry of a curve & a straight to run, which skews the clockings ( there no straight-200s run nowdays )
distances of 400 or above ( e g 600 , 1500, 3k, etc ) can be run at even pace & assymmetry of different number of curves/straights run dissipates
Race director Carey Pinkowski plans to discuss the pace set by rabbits after talking with Wanjiru and agent Frederico Rosa Friday and Saturday.
"I've heard they may want 1:01:40 to 1:02:10 (for the first half)," Pinkowski said. "That was just casual conversation."
That basically means he can't use any Americans to rabbit, that's for sure. Must be an interesting task for a race director to flip through his rolodex looking for a few guys willing AND able to roll out a 1:01:40 first half for a marathon. Talk about a small club!
ventolin^2 wrote:trying
http://www.jundo.co.uk1'43.25 - 1'43.50 / 27'20 - 27'25
you'd have to ask nicely...
i'd be remis by not posting them & why i hold webb in such high esteem
even aouita didn't run 1'43/27'30 in successive years - no one has
trying the 4 possible variations suggested above, starting with slowest & speeding up
1'43.50 / 27'25 ->47.89 , 2'12.48 , 3'27.18 , 3'43.85 , 4'44.24 , 7'23.27 , 12'54.30
1'43.50 / 27'20 ->47.95 , 2'12.43 , 3'26.99 , 3'43.63 , 4'43.87 , 7'22.48 , 12'52.49
1'43.25 / 27'25 ->47.73 , 2'12.19 , 3'26.82 , 3'43.49 , 4'43.84 , 7'22.82 , 12'53.87
1'43.25 / 27'20 ->47.79 , 2'12.15 , 3'26.64 , 3'43.27 , 4'43.47 , 7'22.04 , 12'52.06
now, why you see why his career clockwise has been disappointing
the man is/was a potential absolute beast if he'd got 1'43/27'20 simultaneously ( & he had a right to ascribe to it at his young age & successive years - perhaps in 3rd or 4th year ( peking ) he couda done both - he'd have destroyed even the doped-up ramzi )
Dude, I think you are overtraining!
ventolin^2 the man is/was a potential absolute beast if he'd got 1'43/27'20 simultaneously ( & he had a right to ascribe to it at his young age & successive years - perhaps in 3rd or 4th year ( peking ) he couda done both - he'd have destroyed even the doped-up ramzi )
If only track and field were about time trialing and statistics - Alas, it is about racing, nerves, tactics, conserving energy through rounds, and rising to the occasion. Hopefully Saladbar will be able to get Webb's head together.
coachkritter wrote:
If only track and field were about time trialing and statistics - Alas, it is about racing, nerves, tactics, conserving energy through rounds, and rising to the occasion. Hopefully Saladbar will be able to get Webb's head together.
Team Saladbar has concoctions that would make Team Festina blush.
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
rojo wrote:Patrick's article may be the single greatest article ever written for the LetsRun.com audience. I highly recomment you read it.
.....
A definite must read.
huh?? Talk about hyperbole. The article was ok. I've read 1000's better. What was so special about it? Did you mean it was the best article for the Letsrun audience ever written BY PATRICK or in USA TODAY?? If you meant that, maybe, but as far as running articles in general, it wasn't anything special.
And rojo, you overestimate your audience's interest in running. Look at your board right now. The most popular thread is one about a high school kid telling girls he has a big penis. Usually the most popular ones are about people shitting their pants, or racist threads about how all black people are violent. And then of course there are the 10-15 threads every week on how Obama is a communist who has destroyed our country forever.
But you know all this rojo. You really only care about number of hits to your site, and don't pretend otherwise (if you didn't care about that bottom line, and cared more about promoting running, you'd start axing all the absurd non-running threads and all the racist shit on here. But you guys always let those threads flourish because they attract lots of hits. [well of course when Bush was prez, you preferred to eliminate, most of the time, most political threads] . And don't protest, the proof is in your moderating policy, period. )
Actually, I think it´s good that somebody points out the disguisting fact that we have a communist nigga as president
7:03 is troll
not my style
coachkritter wrote:
ventolin^2 the man is/was a potential absolute beast if he'd got 1'43/27'20 simultaneously ( & he had a right to ascribe to it at his young age & successive years - perhaps in 3rd or 4th year ( peking ) he couda done both - he'd have destroyed even the doped-up ramzi )If only track and field were about time trialing and statistics - Alas, it is about racing, nerves, tactics, conserving energy through rounds, and rising to the occasion. Hopefully Saladbar will be able to get Webb's head together.
Why don´t you learn something about running, moron!
ventolin^2 wrote:
coachkritter wrote:If only track and field were about time trialing and statistics - Alas, it is about racing, nerves, tactics, conserving energy through rounds, and rising to the occasion. Hopefully Saladbar will be able to get Webb's head together.
Why don´t you learn something about running, moron!
Coachkritter actually knows something about running. You don't. All you do is sit on some silly calculator and make believe you know something--and you are the only one here who believes that. None of what you post is about running, because you don't know enough about the sport to interpret the results.
You have neither the knowledge nor the experience to understand that what coachcritter is saying is absolutely correct, but all the real runners here know he's right.
11:54 post was troll
however, i'm the real mccoy
i'm not interested in coaching nor thoughts of much
the hero to most of you guys is lydiard & his "formula" for 1500 to 5k conversion was laughable !
something like 5k = 3.5*1500m + 0'30
if that is standard of prediction from the "font", then heaven help the dweeb-coaches out there who prognosticate on times !
if i was webb & i'd run 1'43 & 27'34 the next year, one of the burning questions any semi-intelligent being wouda asked wouda been
"what if i was in shape to run either, what coud i run a 1500 in, coach ?"
if all you can reply is
"aw, jeez, shucks, golly, i wish i knew webb, lets just forget about it"
as for my "knowledge" i've been to barcelona & athens, watched virtually every big race of coe/ovett/cram/aouita/kiptanui/morceli/kipketer/hicham/etc on the euro circuit on satellite or normal tv
have you ?
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