RE: Mandatory Flu Shot

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I think the problem that people have with the flu shot is that some think it should be (unrealistically) 100% effective. This expectation is a poor one to have because virtually nothing works 100% of the time especially if you examine the statistical mechanics of the happenings in the world. Nevertheless, even a small gain in the chance of not getting the flu (shown in many primary sources) is quite worth it in my opinion.

On a personal level, I've received the flu vaccination every year. I have never been sick from the shot, and (more importantly) I have NEVER had the flu. Take from that what you will. It's just my experience with the vaccine.

gopher sports wrote:

Sometimes public health trumps individual freedoms. That's not Nazi-like, that's proactive thinking. Vaccines and all forms of medicine have risks. The risks of the vaccines pale in comparison to the risks of the diseases they fight.

I don't give a crap about your individual or religious freedoms (when it comes to disease prevention). Get your shots and shut up. Save your anger for real issues---like why the richest nation in the world doesn't have universal health care.

Hahahaha, oh wow. I hope this is a troll post.

It is well known that Jews are carriers of many incurable diseases infecting our society. It is a shame, but we are going to have to do something about this for the benefit of public health.

Sound familiar?

I almost never get sick, but I think I'll sign up for the flu shot this year, just so I'm not on the same side as these conspiracy idiots who think vaccinations are scams.

gopher sports wrote:

Sometimes public health trumps individual freedoms. That's not Nazi-like, that's proactive thinking. Vaccines and all forms of medicine have risks. The risks of the vaccines pale in comparison to the risks of the diseases they fight.

I don't give a crap about your individual or religious freedoms (when it comes to disease prevention). Get your shots and shut up. Save your anger for real issues---like why the richest nation in the world doesn't have universal health care.

How terrible that this soon after something like WW2 we have folks forgetting that individual and religious rights are so vital to a functioning society.

If this was a serious post, I beg the poster to open a history book.

Are you talking swine or garden variety flu shot?

Got my basic flu shot Weds.

well now... wrote:

I would doubt that there are many studies that show that the flu vaccine actually prevents the flu. If anyone has any research that shows flu vaccines prevent the flu I would be interested in looking at that.

There are articles like:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/asseenon5/10526833/detail.html

However, if you really think about that quote, if the flu shot worked 75% of the time that means 25% of the people who got the shot still got the flu. What percentage of people get the flu that don't get the shot? It can't be much higher than 25%. Even though 75% of the people who got the vaccine didn't get the flu, would they have avoided the flu anyway?

That is not what it means.

I work in health care. My company does not require the flu shot but offers them free to employees every year. I am getting mine later this month, as I do every year. I am young and healthy and fit and not worried at all about the flu. If I get it I will get sick and feel like crap for a few days. I get it because many of the people I work with are not healthy and if they get sick it is a matter of life and death. I do not want to be responsible for one of them dying.

You dummies saying things like "oh, I am just gonna load up on vit D & C" are forgetting where most of that stuff is made: CHINA. And it is barely regulated by our gov't, so who knows what is in it. (you know, china has such a good track record with consumer safety of their exports)

(oh, and despite small studies here and there, there is very little solid evidence showing that vitamin C or D can prevent you from getting the flu.

More importantly: THE GUY WORKS IN A HOSPITAL! There are many weak, sick vulnerable people there. He could get the flu and pass it on to them and kill them. NO ONE IS MAKING THE REST OF US GET THE FLU SHOT. So stop your bitching. They also probably make him use alcohol wash on his hands before going into patient rooms. The horrors!! That stuff is poison!

And since you guy are sooooo afraid of the chemicals in flu shots, don't go outside and breathe any air today or drink any water. Why? Because.... since you are likely the same guys who stand up for big business to do what they want in the name of profit, and I am sure you fight against any and all regulations as anti-capitalistic, due to your great work in that area, the air and water are FULL of all sort of pollutants and chemicals. Oh yeah. And definitely don't eat any fish!

Yay for Free-Dumb, we we are all free to be dumb!)

check around but do not comply wrote:

I have seen a number of reports that the majority of doctors and nurses refuse to get vaccinated themselves, and would be surprised if there are not at least, A LOT, of doctors in the hospital you work at who don't.

That's because doctors and nurses who have actually looked into this for themselves know that vaccines aren't effective at stopping disease, only at causing them. The whole polio virus for instance, the vaccine didn't get rid of polio, it was on its way to eradication already due to quarantine.

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

More importantly: THE GUY WORKS IN A HOSPITAL! There are many weak, sick vulnerable people there. He could get the flu and pass it on to them and kill them. NO ONE IS MAKING THE REST OF US GET THE FLU SHOT. So stop your bitching. They also probably make him use alcohol wash on his hands before going into patient rooms. The horrors!! That stuff is poison!

Hey, Sir Lance-a-Moron, the reality is healthcare workers refuse to take shots, or give their kids shots, for damn good reasons. I've been in meetings at my hospital and the occasional doctor or nurse will actually get angry and say something like THEIR child went into immediate shock after a shot, then became autistic, and the management will respond about as ignorantly as you. "Sheer coincidence." Yeah, right.

If the shots worked, those who got them would be protected from those who did not.

Instead of that, apparently those who don't get the shots, are a threat to those who have had them? Which doesn't make any sense. Either the shots work or they don't, and they certainly don't work to provide any immunity.

The only thing they could possibly "work" at doing would be making people sick and/or killing them.

Healthcare Workers wrote:The whole polio virus for instance, the vaccine didn't get rid of polio, it was on its way to eradication already due to quarantine.

Wow. I've never heard that particular bit of idiocy before, but we probably frequent different websites. It must be interesting to live in your world. What else do you believe? Do the Masons control the drug companies? Was my own pediatrician in on the conspiracy when he inoculated me against polio, or was he just a dupe? What about Dr. Salk? Was he an evil madman, or just a terrible scientist?

Healthcare Workers wrote:

Hey, Sir Lance-a-Moron, the reality is healthcare workers refuse to take shots, or give their kids shots, for damn good reasons. I've been in meetings at my hospital and the occasional doctor or nurse will actually get angry and say something like THEIR child went into immediate shock after a shot, then became autistic, and the management will respond about as ignorantly as you. "Sheer coincidence." Yeah, right.

Haha! This has got to be a troll.

well now... wrote:

"In another study that was released Wednesday, researchers examined about 1,200 people who got the flu shot. Even though the vaccine was not a perfect match for the flu strain that year, the vaccine was still effective 75 percent of the time."

However, if you really think about that quote, if the flu shot worked 75% of the time that means 25% of the people who got the shot still got the flu. What percentage of people get the flu that don't get the shot? It can't be much higher than 25%. Even though 75% of the people who got the vaccine didn't get the flu, would they have avoided the flu anyway?

I'm not sure, but wouldn't the study follow 1200 people that got the vaccine, and 1200 that didn't, and compare rates of infection between the two groups to determine the effectiveness? My guess is that is how the study was conducted.

Dr. Marc Girard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAK_6iZbH0

Translation from french:

“A vaccine is being developed in conditions of amateurism such as I have never seen. Lets take the pessimistic hypothesis: one death among every 1000 patients. There are plans to vaccinate 60 million people, and you so you already have 60,000 deaths, and this time, young people, children, pregnant women.”

“What you are saying is serious because many people are getting ready to get the vaccine and you, you are saying: „You must not get a vaccination!”

” YES, it is a vaccine that has been developed at great speed in conditions that put in danger the public health. There is a need to return back to the obligation that politicians have right now to protect citizens against the desire of the pharmaceutical industry to make money with all these vaccines. There is a public health code of law from 2007 which obliges all health professionals who give their opinions to reveal their interests. That law is ridiculed every day. All the people who you see saying: „the flu, its very serious, have interests, their lines interests, and that is why they say what they say. The public health administration is an example to us of a daily violation of the law. I am a medical specialist and I am against medicines that have no purpose. This vaccine is not just badly developed: it is not developed!”

Okay, so I am not a vaccine extremist or anything, but you have to admit some crazy things have started happening since we have become so vaccine-happy. Mainly, the major increases in Autism and Food Allergies.

Correlation does not equal causation, and these could be related to something completely different, like HFCS or GMO foods, but it is not crazy to question the safety of vaccines.

I have chosen to have vaccines and give them to my children b/c I believe the risk is in my favor. That said, others might not feel the same way. They are not "crazy" for asking these questions. I would rather have people asking these questions than blindly following the advice of Monsanto and Astra Zeneca.

Oh God SLA, you’re at it again with another horribly conflicted post.

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

And since you guy are sooooo afraid of the chemicals in flu shots, don't go outside and breathe any air today or drink any water. Why? Because.... since you are likely the same guys who stand up for big business to do what they want in the name of profit, and I am sure you fight against any and all regulations as anti-capitalistic, due to your great work in that area, the air and water are FULL of all sort of pollutants and chemicals. Oh yeah. And definitely don't eat any fish!

Pharmaceutical companies are the biggest of big business so why is there no outrage on your part over these ineffective, self inflicted flu shots? The efficacy and safety of flu shots should be seriously questioned as there is no evidence that they work nearly as well as the lobbying efforts to make them mandatory purports them to be.

So again, why do you see no problem with big pharma but see a problem with big business?

Also, there are reasons why there are “small studies here and there…” as it pertains to effectively fighting off the flu naturally rather than with the all power flu shot. Homeopathic remedies will always have a hard time getting their voice heard or their studies published – there’s no money in it and information contradictory to big pharma is suppressed. While I do not believe that it is suppressed because big pharma are the evil conspiratorial empires but rather they are just doing their jobs maximizing shareholder value.

I’m always amazed at the level of complacency when it comes to an individual’s health. A for profit enterprise will never have your health in mind when they come out with the next best new thing. It is THE reason why we spend more per capita than the rest of the world and have the poorest health of industrialized nations – too many people believing the Merck, et al, have your health in mind when they push their drugs.

Lurking Hematologist wrote:

I'm not a parent so I don't know what it's like to have to make large decision for someone else. But, to follow the advice of Jenny McCarthy over someone who went to school, until they were 30 years old, studying the stuff is... obviously it can be annoying.

That's a straw man tactic to bring up Jenny M, there are Phd and MDs on the other side who deserve to be at least considered before vaccinating your kids: