Confucious say: "Man with hand in pants feel cocky all day."
Confucious say: "Man with hand in pants feel cocky all day."
Wow, Gig, you've been misled about Kant. Each claim you make about his ideas is fundamentally wrong.
Kant values human reason for its capacity to cognize our world in spite of the fact that reality is inextricable from our subjective interaction with it. (That's radically different from "there is no such thing as reality.") His ethics are predicated on an expectation of mutual respect coupled to strenuous individual accountability. How strenuous? You should never act in any way that you aren't willing to accept as standard behavior by everyone all of the time. Working through that standard -- the categorical imperative -- as a thought exercise prior to any action can be accomplished independent of belief in the supernatural. But it cannot be satisfied by simply following anyone else's example. Kant's ethics demand that you exercise your reason to determine what, in principle, is good for all, and since you are part of that all you may benefit. However, you shouldn't let consideration of your benefits to divert you from your ethical obligations. Doing what's right might not serve your personal interests, and there's a pretty simply idea that Ayn Rand's so-called philosophy is determined to talk you out of.
Kant's successor in the lineage of major Germanic philosophers, Hegel, criticized Kant for being too individualistic, rigid, and abstract; the categorical imperative, Hegel contends, neglects the extent to which ethics must be practiced in communal situations too messy and particular to allow for the austere and extreme demands of Kant's imperative.
For anyone geeky enough to take an interest in this thread, you might enjoy the linked video. It's an attack ad against Kant approved by Nietzsche:
gig wrote:
Let's review Kant's philosophy:
There is no such thing as reality. Man is a retarded animal who is too stupid to really know anything, and the universe exists only in our own minds anyway, so all opinions are equally valid and nobody is right or wrong. Like L. Ron Hubbard said, what's true is what's true to you. God might exist, we just don't know that or anything else for sure. An action is only moral if it benefits someone else. If you benefit from your own actions, then you are selfish and evil and will burn in Hell if it exists. When in doubt, just do what everyobdy else is doing, because the majority is all wise.
You ridicule Ayn Rand, but take this asshole seriously?
Yes, sir, you fail my philosophy class! You have got everything wrong about Kant. That is a zero and a kick in the ass on the way out the door. No soup for you!
Seneca
Epictetus
"Philosophy does not promise to secure anything external for man, otherwise it would be admitting something that lies beyond its proper subject-matter. For as the material of the carpenter is wood, and that of statuary bronze, so the subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life."
- Epictetus
Wow. The funniest thread that I have read on this message board in a long time is a discussion about the greatest philosophers. And I don't mean "funny" in the perjorative sense. Two that have not been mentioned are St. Augustine of Hippo, who could perhaps be called the fist existentialist and Leo Tolstoy, who (obviously) wasn't technically a philosopher but possessed an extraordinary moral intelligence that was backed up by unassaiable logic in his later writings.
Nassim Taleb and Karl Popper
Young Jeezy:
"Mr President is Black
My lambo is blue
And I'll be damned if my rims ain't too."
That's deep.
Flagpole Willy
I'm gonna go with Bertrand Russell. Even though Berkley and Hume are my favorite.
All philosophers had something inherently wrong with what they were teaching... This is why philosophy hasn't really gotten us anywhere (but into larger, deeper questions). They did however, have interesting ideas, and neat thought patterns... I liked Russell because he understood this (sometimes). His papers on other philosophers' thoughts were great, but his own ideas fell short..
doesn't matter
i'm the only one who exists
Schleiermacher.
satansmouf wrote:
jesus lost his philosopher cred when he claimed to have magic powers.
You mean when Jesus rose from the grave and ascended into heaven in front of hundreds of witnesses.
Or are you talking about one of the following other acts:
Jesus Walking on water
Jesus Healing the Sick, the Paralyzed, and even the Blind.
Jesus Feeding the Hungry
Jesus Exorcising Demons
Jesus Raising the Dead!!!!
These are not stories made up by Christians or Jesus himself, but are actually true accounts. If they were false than how did Jesus become famous in the first place? Famous enough where some in power felt threatened enough that they decided to torture and kill him. How did this man become so famous if these stories were completely fabricated?
And in what way does these miraculous acts detract from his words when he said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit..." or "No greater love is there than this, that you would lay your life down for a friend."
Eric Green
430 miler
"I would enjoy hearing your own training methods vs your opinion of mine, and anything else that’s on your marvelous mind. I would also like to know if you are going to raise your son to be a runner or get him involved in sports or dancing. Obviously hes going to be a naturally talented beautiful person, because his mother is.
You can always respond to me however you wish. I don’t ever expect you to give an elaborate Indigenous response as I do. Hell, I know for a fact that nobody will ever put in the same effort as I do in running or a love relationship. I already know that nobody is worthy or capable of handling me as a lover. But if I didn’t atleast attempt to give my love to somebody like you, then I would be doing myself a disservice as an American Indian.
Barrett-Dahl from Oklahoma
Citizen 501209"
There have been a lot of good ones, I don't think I could ever say one is tops. Aristotle and Plato of the classical period, Kant and Nietzsche of the modern, and many in between are all pretty damn good.
Monty Python - The Philosophers Song Lyrics
The Philosopher's Song (Monty Python)
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.
There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya'
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
SOCRATES, HIMSELF, WAS PERMANENTLY PISSED...
John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away;
Half a crate of whiskey every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: "I drink, therefore I am"
Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed!
I'm not sure who that puts in first place, my guess is maybe Eric Idle
Peter Singer could be considered u pthere for a truly modern philosopher...
Philosophy on what? Meaning of life? Human nature? Science? Psychology? Spirituality?
The most profound philosophies do not come from people known as "philosophers" as far as I'm concerned. Freud was a magnificent philosopher but that's not what his business card would have said. Same with Einstein. Or Hans-Christian Andersen for that matter.
Pointless argument. You must be in high school.
Barack Obama. Greatest Man that ever lived. I serve HIM.
Do you find it odd that the Osiris cult in egypt, several hundred years before the supposed birth of Jesus followed the same rout? Born on the 25 of december, Exorcised Demons, fed the hungry, healed the sick, died and three days later rose from the dead? You dont think a few extra miracles do improve his cred? How would the idea of this become so famous, use your head, there are a lot of pour people who need hope, Jesus was an answer. It was a form of security over the masses.