Div I Milers: What time did you run as a high school Freshman?

9th: 509

10th: 438

11th: 421

12th: 415

fresh: 406

i'll probabaly run around 4 flat this year...times dont really matter til jr and sr year of highschool

9th: 4:59

12th: 4:26

College: 4:08

First of all, wow, sure seems like there are a lot of 4:00-4:05 milers out there right now, prob 75% of these PR's are hypothetical and fabricated.

Secondly, I did not run track until indoors sophmore year and then was injured for outdoor-soph and indoor-jr. I am from Massachusetts and chose a D-1 school in New York. This has been my progression.

indoor soph: 4:36 MILE (first year track)

outdoor jr: 4:28 1600 (injured)

indoor senior: 4:22 MILE

outdoor senior: 4:15 1600 (off of about 35mpw)

freshman college: TBD

*These are all 100% true

I am at a mid level D-1 program in New York and am hoping to go 3:52 for the 1500 this year. I made it to an awesome D-1 school despite not running that well as a junior. I was recruited on potential which clearly worked out well. So my point is you can get recruited for D-1 on potential, its just a little more difficult. Yes I am bragging. Yes all of it is true.

i had a d1 scholarship...

this is my h.s. mile progression:

9--4:44...training was about 15-20mi./wk. with a lot of walking (i was 4'10" at 90 pounds)

10--4:39...same as above

11--4:17(3:58--1500)more mileage...35/wk...starting getting stoned for the first time and loved it...took many days off.

12--4:08.5(1600m)and 3:50.8(1500m)...very serious runner...ran 1315 miles over the summer (12 weeks)...rarely missed a day except for the day before a race...

conclusion: don't put a lot of value in what someone does as a 9th grader.

Totally agree with you goosetime88. For some reason people need to get involved with the post and lie or exaggerate times to make them feel good, which is exactly what the OP doesn't need.

Here's my times/viewpoint:

(HS)

FR-4:44

SO-4:32

JR-4:21

SR-4:19

Redshirt FR-4:17

FR-4:09

SO-4:06

JR-4:06

SR-4:04 -5000-14:15

(100% true as well)

I really think coaches put importance in the mile as a high schooler because its a good gauge of speed. If your kid doesn't seem to be progressing towards a sub 4:15 he may be better suited for the 2 mile and he may want to focus on that.

As for college...I always think that if you really believe you're a miler - your probably more likely a 3k/5k guy. same goes with the 800 (miler) 5k (10k). You need ridiculous speed the shorter the event is.

I realized this my senior yr in college. I was so focused on going sub 4/sub 3:43 1500 when I really should have been a 5k guy. Ran it only once during my senior yr and pulled a 14:15....Lots of wasted time in my wrong event. Partly the coaches fault-----my ten cents.

My mile progression

HS Fresh 5:08

HS Soph 4:50

HS Junior 4:30

HS Senior 4:22

Col Fresh Did not Race

Col Soph 4:08

Col Jun 3:59

Col Sen 4:07

So I made huge jumps from my HS freshman year. It just depends. Hope this info helps.

9th - 4:52

10 - 4:40

11 - 4:25

12 - hurt

Fr. 4:18 indoor

So - hurt

Jr - hurt

Sr. 4:11

No offense dad, but this is too random of a question.

I ran at most 20 miles a week in HS... so I basically didn't train. What does your kid do? If you want to motivate him (and he doesn't have a coach) tell him to average 40 mpw as a freshman, 50 as a soph, 60 as a jun and then see where that puts him.

To all the posters that said sub 4:30 as a frosh... maybe if the kid's been running 40 miles a week since 7th grade.

If he didn't start running until September of his freshman year of HS and doesn't run run in the winter or summer (like I did) then don't expect much.

I ran the following, and think I was common for a kid of the 90s: Started running as a freshman in September, sat on my butt over the winter and summer until Junior year...

Frosh: 18:56 for 5k cross (I would say this is not bad after 15-20 miles a week for 2 months). Outdoors ran 57 400, 2:12 800.

Soph: Can't remember cross... sub 18:00. Track: 2:04.9. 400-55. 1600 (ran it once) 4:56 (won and felt very easy)

Jun: Can't remember cross... sub 17:00. Track: 2:02.9 (yes, .9 again). 4:40 1600. 53 400 Split

Senior: 15:55 for 3 mile cross course. 1:58 for 800. 51 for 400 (split). 4:28 for 1600.

Ran on a D1 College team with no scholarship, but was recruited (so it helped me get in). Looking back, it always surprises me that I was recruited... but I guess the 90s were a different time. Also, my college coach was building the program and loved guys who were severely under trained, played other sports, ran fast as a freshman and then was injured (and so off radar screens) etc. Found quite a few diamonds in the rough.

Nowadays I guess its different since kids actually train. I'm pretty sure if you take a good hs kid from the mid 90s and surveyed them, next to none ran more then 40 mpw, and most ran 15-30 (with lots of intervals and NO, 0, NADA threshold work). I bet that mileage number is double now and that kids do tempo runs and other threshold type workouts.

5:01 8th

none 9th

4:41 10th

4:28 11th

4:13 12th

Let your son just enjoy running right now and fast times will come

call out wrote:

old man potato stop you are a liar. Those are unrealistic times; no one improves that consistently over 10 years without some kind of injury or poor timing. Continually improving 2 seconds around the 4 minute barrier does not happen - sounds exciting to have a career like that but it is not gonna happen so stop lying to this guy.

Perceptive. I did in fact lie, but only because I'm embarrassed to be posting on letsrun (and narcissistic enough to think that ANYONE cares and would know who I am by my times).

However, they are very close to my actual times (and I did have some injury problems). That and I don't see any 'continual' 2 second improvements around the 4:00 barrier.

Anyways

call out wrote:

old man potato stop you are a liar. Those are unrealistic times; no one improves that consistently over 10 years without some kind of injury or poor timing. Continually improving 2 seconds around the 4 minute barrier does not happen - sounds exciting to have a career like that but it is not gonna happen so stop lying to this guy.

I am not sure if you are being serious about old man potato's times, but they seem like a perfect progression from 7th grade to college. Here are my times listed next to his for each grade. Some years I improved more, mostly from physically maturing and some years I improved less, mostly from just running to win in high school and drinking too much in college.

7th: 5:15- 5:31

8th: 5:02- 5:16

9th: 4:44- 4:47

10th: 4:24-4:21

11th: 4:19-4:17

12th: 4:17-4:14

Fr: 4:10- 4:05

So: 4:07- 4:03

Jr: 4:01- 4:02

Sr: 3:59- 4:02

I like old man potato's progressing better than mine, especially since it ended up with a sub 4.

the43OmiIer wrote:

dear op:

we do not run the mile in Division 1.

or any collegiate division for that matter.

we run the 1500.

nice try.

1/10.

You are a retard.

Indoor = Mile

I ran 5:00.1...oh wait, I wasn't a D1 runner.

didn't run as a frosh

ran 5:09 as a soph

416 as a jr

410 as a sr

in college

405 fr

404 so

359 jr

As a 9th grader, I broke 5 for the first time, then gradually dropped to 4:36 by the end of the year. It took me 'til the last meet of high school to break 4:15. I can remember during that freshman year thinking how easy this all was going to be. I dropped 30 seconds that year. If I could "just" drop 10 seconds per year....

I also actually remember thinking that my 4:36 was pretty slow for a 9th grader because the freshman record at my school was 4:14 (an Olympian from '76).