the russian woman are at it again......

I actually believe every single one of the Russians is on drugs. Postwar Russia is essentially a thuggish criminal enterprise. If they were just brilliant at coaching emerging talent, why is Yuriy B the only man they've got?

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Yanqui wrote:

I actually believe every single one of the Americans is on drugs. If they were just brilliant at coaching emerging talent, why is Bernard Lagat the only man they've got?

WOW!! SHOCKING!! Big jumps in time + not competing outside Russia = new Russian female dopers. Hope WADA is paying close attention. If not, something tells me Sanya Richards won't get the gold.

400m

49.29 Antonina Krivoshapka

49.97 Anastasiya Kapachinskaya

50.27 Lyudmila Litvinova

800m

1:57.86 Anna Alminova

1:57.90 Mariya Savinova

1:58.23 Svetlana Klyuka

1500m

3:58.38 Anna Alminova

3:59.66 Natalya Evdokimova

4:00.86 Oksana Zbrozhek[/quote]

Why is it that when foreigners run great times it's "SHOCKING" and people want to immediately cal WADA cause they might be on steroids, but when it's an american like that Maggie Vessey girl, she's just the greatest person ever?

so sad wrote:

WOW!! SHOCKING!! Big jumps in time + not competing outside Russia = new Russian female dopers. Hope WADA is paying close attention. If not, something tells me Sanya Richards won't get the gold.

400m

49.29 Antonina Krivoshapka

49.97 Anastasiya Kapachinskaya

50.27 Lyudmila Litvinova

800m

1:57.86 Anna Alminova

1:57.90 Mariya Savinova

1:58.23 Svetlana Klyuka

1500m

3:58.38 Anna Alminova

3:59.66 Natalya Evdokimova

4:00.86 Oksana Zbrozhek

Why is it that when foreigners run great times it's "SHOCKING" and people want to immediately cal WADA cause they might be on steroids, but when it's an american like that Maggie Vessey girl, she's just the greatest person ever?[/quote]

You should try counting the number of Russians that have been caught over the past year.

Lets hope they are clean. They will be tested at Berlin so lets wait and see.

You should try counting the number of Americans that have been busted over the past 10 years. Let's just say that it makes the Russians look like Mother Teresa.

Ramzi. wrote:

so sad wrote:

WOW!! SHOCKING!! Big jumps in time + not competing outside Russia = new Russian female dopers. Hope WADA is paying close attention. If not, something tells me Sanya Richards won't get the gold.

400m

49.29 Antonina Krivoshapka

49.97 Anastasiya Kapachinskaya

50.27 Lyudmila Litvinova

800m

1:57.86 Anna Alminova

1:57.90 Mariya Savinova

1:58.23 Svetlana Klyuka

1500m

3:58.38 Anna Alminova

3:59.66 Natalya Evdokimova

4:00.86 Oksana Zbrozhek

Why is it that when foreigners run great times it's "SHOCKING" and people want to immediately cal WADA cause they might be on steroids, but when it's an american like that Maggie Vessey girl, she's just the greatest person ever?

You should try counting the number of Russians that have been caught over the past year.[/quote]

Maggie isn't hiding out and only competing in the states. She is competing all over the world and being tested constantly.

People are suspicious of the Russians because the Russians are lying cheaters

Young Hickory wrote:

People are suspicious of the Russians because the Russians are lying cheaters

Have you heard of Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin, Tyree Washington, Kellie White... etc?

So I guess because these American athletes lied and cheated we should also assume that Tyson Gay, Carmelita Jeter, Maggie Vessey, Jenny Berringer and the rest of the top American runners are cheating and should be suspicious of them too right?

robert rump wrote:

WOW!! SHOCKING!! Big jumps in time + not competing outside Russia = new Russian female dopers. Hope WADA is paying close attention. If not, something tells me Sanya Richards won't get the gold.

400m

49.29 Antonina Krivoshapka

49.97 Anastasiya Kapachinskaya

50.27 Lyudmila Litvinova

800m

1:57.86 Anna Alminova

1:57.90 Mariya Savinova

1:58.23 Svetlana Klyuka

1500m

3:58.38 Anna Alminova

3:59.66 Natalya Evdokimova

4:00.86 Oksana Zbrozhek

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racetraining wrote:

Lets hope they are clean. They will be tested at Berlin so lets wait and see.

You're right and I agree. But, the thing that frustrates me (and probably their competitors more) is that if they win, medal, or break some record, it'll be a year or more before any punishment make it down the pipe. Even then, it appears the times (records) are never wiped away.

In the battle of the doping countries, I'm certainly rooting for Alminova over any of those random improvers from the USA.

trollism wrote:

In the battle of the doping countries, I'm certainly rooting for Alminova over any of those random improvers from the USA.

It's really impressive you're able to breathe with your head shoved so far up your ass.

Doping is absolutely apart of the sport in Russia. It's not even comparable to Trevor Graham and his band of thieves. America has competitive men and women. The reason the women have a bit of an edge right now (in the distances, apart from Lagat) is the effect of social restraints on women in sport in Africa, which don't apply to men.

Ramzi. wrote:

You should try counting the number of Russians that have been caught over the past year.

How many of those actually tested positive? None. That shows you that you could take PED's and get away with it. The reason they got caught and others didn't is they were profiled.

Do you also believe that since 80% of drug offenders in jail are black that they are commiting 80% of the drug offenses? Get real.

what do you mean by profiled?

robert rump wrote:

WOW!! SHOCKING!! Big jumps in time + not competing outside Russia = new Russian female dopers. Hope WADA is paying close attention. If not, something tells me Sanya Richards won't get the gold.

400m

49.29 Antonina Krivoshapka

49.97 Anastasiya Kapachinskaya

50.27 Lyudmila Litvinova

Antonina Krivoshapka is 22 years and this will her first world championship competition. She will have to make through the prelim heats in order to pose a threat. Kapachinskaya was 5th in Beijing 400m final (she was ineligible from 2004 - 2006). Richards is still the favorite and is definite for Gold if she utilizes her race tactics that she used this year -- relaxed and controlled for the 1st 200m.

The OP does have some point here. For the past several years, the russian mid-d women (8 and 15) have posted huge huge time inside russia, primarily at their national champs, both indoors and out. Then they do not repeat those performances for the most part outside of Russia. They'll run well, sure, but not the 1:56s and 3:56s. It does not point to doping, necessarily. After all, how do you run so fast on PEDs this week, and then not run that fast in quality meets for the rest of the season after that?

However, something really does not add up. Maybe the russians use pacemakers at their champs races (which of course has no bearing on 400m times)? Maybe the stadium in Moscow has a short track. I have no idea. But look back at the past few years and you'll see a pattern is there, with both the recently banned runners and the ones still competing.