But those sprinters have NO medals in the distances.
The only reason they have a few worthless medals, is because they stop after 1/2 a lap or 1/4 of a lap or whatever; lack of attention span, lack of conditioning, lack of intelligence, you name it. I do have to mention intelligence, because that lack of fitness gets them nowhere in life.
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I'm calling B.S. on this. The sprinter's workout is the best workout for people who want to get and stay in shape. High intensity training is more beneficial that running 15 miles everyday. Try doing 8-10 200 meter sprints at 85-95 percent max capacity with a one minute rest in between. I'm doing that now and it is the hardest training I have ever done. I still go on runs once or twice weekly but my sprint training is what gets me in peak fitness condition.
Wejo, quit putting sprint results on the main page. We just don't care.
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ggdffd wrote:
well here are my 2 cents.................to hell with your f*cking views.
in the real world there penis envy, and in the running world there's speed envy.
skinny white boys are just jealous because the black guys get the media attention.
that about sums it up.
Only men talk about penis envy. Do you honestly think women want to deal with that junk hanging around all the time? Not in the slightest.
To Freud, everything was a penis, but when asked about his own cigar he states, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
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long and steady wrote:
You're wasting your time and ours.
Don't listen to them, this certainly is LetsRun and we want to know all the events that are based on running track events. I'm a distance runner but I want news on all the events. -
...Extreme emphasis on the distance/mid distance events, but still all the events that is..
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I can run sprints every day. So what. Any distance runner can run sprints.
But most sprinters can not run any distance. It is hilarious how sprinters say "oh you ran 15 miles, you are slow" but you can't run 15 miles. When is the last time you ran 15 miles anyway. I bet you never ran 15 miles. You are lazy. -
J.R. wrote:
But those sprinters have NO medals in the distances.
It really doesn't matter what you say here, because as I said above, letsrunners have been voting with their posts for a long time in favor of discussing sprinting. Maybe that's because US sprinters win and distance runners make excuses.
But it is not up to sprinters to make up for the incompetence of distance (over 1500m) programs in the US. In Beijing, US male sprinters won 12 out of a possible 15 total medals. Distance runners won NOTHING--and except for Lagat, they really weren't even in contention.
So instead of discussing whether letsrun should be covering sprinting, maybe we should be discussing whether USATF should continue spending USOC funds at all on long distance. Maybe we should spend that money on finding the next Carl or the next Webb, and let the long distance people run road races.
The only reason they have a few worthless medals, is because they stop after 1/2 a lap or 1/4 of a lap or whatever; lack of attention span, lack of conditioning, lack of intelligence, you name it. I do have to mention intelligence, because that lack of fitness gets them nowhere in life. Most of them are dead by age 50. In the meantime, life involves something besides sitting on your butt.
Those medals aren't worthless. Usain Bolt is demanding--and getting--$250,000 a race. That's what happens when you have the talent and do the training to be the best in the world at your event instead of making excuses. Being the best is what people care about, which is why people do not care about distance running.
And what you are saying above is exactly what the problem is. You are not talking about WINNING an athletic event. You are talking about participating in a fitness event. Remember the Tergat comment about how he thinks about world records when he goes out to train? Bolt talks about winning. Gay talks about winning. Wariner talks about getting back to where he was (winning). And of course Lagat talks about winning.
YOU talk about jogging for fitness, and I think that mindset is a lot of the problem in the US beyond 1500m.
It's about WINNING, not about running 100mpw so you can write big numbers down in your logbook. This is the difference between an athlete and a fitness jogger.
Really don't give me that poor whiny picked on sprinters look. Any good distance runner who has been around a track with any sprinters there can attest that most of the time they are sitting on their butts. Not running.
Typical lack of knowledge one sees from distance runners. You don't even understand the most basic truth: Distance running is sprinting limited by the cardiovascular system. In sprinting (below 400h at least and for high quality athletes) you don't have cardio effects, so you train for muscular power output.
The alactic system runs out of maximum power at 7 seconds.
Partial recovery of creatine phospate occurs in 3 minutes. Full recovery requires 7-10 minutes, CNS recovery requires longer than this.
The glycolytic system peaks at 40 seconds at maximum effort.
Acceleration power lasts for a maximum of 30-50 meters (depending on the quality of the athlete).
Maximum velocity lasts for TWO SECONDS. That's it.
A high level 400 runner is producing 10 mmol/l at the end of the race. 15 minutes later, it's 20 mmol/l, and it takes a full 30 minutes to get back down.
Any sprint event is a blending of several of these physiology facts. Sprint coaches (and middle distance coaches) understand these facts and blend training appropriately, which can involve very long rests. They train to win and do what is necessary to win.
Long distance runners seem preoccupied with their mileage, logbooks, and obsessive compulsive behavior and adjust their training to fit their mileage obsessions.
And please, don't try to tell me you are fast, because you are done running after only 1/2 lap of the track. You are done because you are too tired and too lazy to run any farther.
Why does a marathon runner race precisely 42,195 meters? Because that's how long the race is. If you compete in a 200m event, you sprint 200 meters (well, unless you're Asafa Powell in a 100, when it's really 85 meters you sprint).
Duh.
Oh look, I ran 5 yards and stopped. I am fast. What a joke.
You are not fast. And that's what you're problem is. Because you know that people--including distance runners--like watching people who are a lot faster than you are. So you bring up mindless nonsense about how much better you are if you run 100 miles a week. They give out medals for winning track events. They don't give out medals for training volume. -
This thread is not about my many medals, trophies, records and championships.
Sprinters come here because this site is Let's Run, and they are jealous of real runners, who have the speed AND endurance to run more than 1 lap of the track. I have seen all types of runners and can state this as a fact. That's why sprinters come here and whine and complain.
Your claim that sprinters are fast is total BS. What is Wariminder's time for the mile? Do you even know? And yet you say he is fast. What is his time for the marathon? He was talking about doing an 8 minute mile on the track, to judge his pace for a marathon. Is that fast to you? But he could NOT run 8 minutes for a marathon, nor even FINISH a marathon, because he is SLOW.
Sure anyone can get medals in the sprints, because hardly anyone runs them.
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Thanks Coach D, well put. I was wanting to respond to J.R. and didn't quite know where to start.
I've been both a sprinter and then later a distance person, and feel the training is equally intense for both, just different. In many ways distance was easier mentally, the training and racing. In a longer race you have time to adjust for a bad start or a technical issue, while in a sprint, you have a very limited amount of time in which every aspect of the race has to go according to plan (blocks, acceleration, form (God-forbid there are hurdles involved). The pressure is intense for the shorter sprints. The training is very focused and repetitive, and can be metally draining.
I used to listen to comments like J.R.'s a lot from distance runners when I moved up in race length. They really had no idea what sprint life is like. I respect athletes across the events, and enjoy seeing the results for all the events. -
DON'T LISTEN TO THEM WEJO! sprint events like Baylors 4x4 was an awesome post. why would someone care more about a local 5k than NCAA 4x4 championships?! I love distance races just as much as sprint ones
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keep up with the great coverage of the sport of track and field! that includes sprinting. and J.R. needs his diapers changed and a new binky.
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Keep sprints there... running is running...
XC and 1600,3200m in high school...
200 and 400m runner in college...
so I can appreciate both sides of track
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Weldon & Robert--as of course you already know, most track fans don't think like the OP. I've been at seven Olympics, and no one could have predicted before any of them which events would be the most exciting, amazing, disappointing, boring, et cetera. I'm a distance guy, and what Wanjiru, Dibaba, and Bekele did in Beijing were huge, but the highest points were undeniably Bolt's two individual finals. The sound that the crowd made when we saw the first big-screen replay of his 100m finish was one that I've never heard before, totally different than the pure delighted amazement when the WR went up on the board. The replay elicited an explosion of awe mixed with a sort of shocked laugh that even had some reproach in it, because of how much time he'd squandered in the last 30m. Then he won everyone's complete respect with the full-out 200. Are there really many people who love distance running but couldn't appreciate those races?
As for how hard sprinters' training is: I tried to do sprint workouts to prepare for a 4x400m at Penn Relays, and any distance runner who sees the workout amounts only--say, 3x(300, 200, 100) w/1:00 rests--and thinks it's going to be easy should try doing that just once. After one set at about 90% effort, I was almost totaled--and then here came another near-race-pace 300. My third set was pathetic, and I was sore for two days in ways that I didn't know running could make you sore: ribcage, shoulders, arms...the old cross-country bumper sticker, "When the Going Gets Tough, the Sprinters Stop," is funny but far from true. -
J.R. wrote:
This thread is not about my many medals, trophies, records and championships.
Sprinters come here because this site is Let's Run, and they are jealous of real runners, who have the speed AND endurance to run more than 1 lap of the track. I have seen all types of runners and can state this as a fact. That's why sprinters come here and whine and complain.
Your claim that sprinters are fast is total BS. What is Wariminder's time for the mile? Do you even know? And yet you say he is fast. What is his time for the marathon? He was talking about doing an 8 minute mile on the track, to judge his pace for a marathon. Is that fast to you? But he could NOT run 8 minutes for a marathon, nor even FINISH a marathon, because he is SLOW.
Sure anyone can get medals in the sprints, because hardly anyone runs them.
Put them in a WORLD cross country race and you would soon see the light.
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INCREDIBLE TROLL. BEST I'VE EVER SEEN. KEEP IT UP JR!!!!! -
I'm mainly a mid-distance runner, but have raced two 10k's and countless 5k's as well. In both high school and college, I would sometimes finish my workout and then join up with the sprinters for theirs. Everytime I would kick the shit out of the sprinters running their little 200's. One time in college I was doing mile repeats on the track, while the sprinter were running 300's. I was beating all of the sprinter girls during my repeat miles. Afterwards my coach had me run 4x200m with the sprinter guys and I beat all them. They only did 3 to my 4 as they would sit around for like 3-4 minutes after running 300, while I jogged a 400. Most sprinters have got to be the laziest, over-inflated people that I have ever known. You just simply cannot beat being a distance runner. Anyone can sprint, but just how many people can go on a 8 mile run averaging under 6 min/mile pace confortably, while enjoying the scenery? And to the poster eariler, oh yes most defiantly one can train a distance runner to be a sprinter/have sprint form.
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As someone who spent equal time training with distance runners (1500 and mile) and sprinters (400, 200) the main difference was cultural.
Most of the sprinters were african american, and often had played football in high school, or were playing football in college.
None of the distance runners I ever ran with, ever played tackle football.
The standard racist claptrap of the day was that the blacks were too lazy to do the training for distance running.
Cultural stereo-types, coaching stereo-types had a large effect. It started to change when the 800 became more of a long sprint, and gents like Steve Holman popped up to challenge the stereo type.
Sprinters were also easier to psch out. Due to the aforementioned injury bug with our sprinters, I got the fun one week to anchor the 4X1 for our team. A little verbal sand bagging that I was a mere 800 guy pressed into service at the last minute...led to over confidence on my rival schools anchor man. I told my teammates to give me one step on the guy and I'd beat him. We had had no time for baton practice other than setting our marks. They gave me the step I wanted and we fluked out and nailed the hand-off seemlessly and I dusted the guy.
MY quads were sore for days though, lol. Good times.
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This is a track and field website, not just a long-distance aficionado website. If you want one, go and make your own.
Wejo and Rojo, continue to cover all aspects and teach everyone how to appreciate all aspects of the sport. Considering how trackshark is no longer in service, there are very few true and good track and field websites left out there. Thanks for keeping this website running. -
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Field events should get more coverage.
Stephanie Brown-Trafton deserves coverage for her GOLD medal and great records.
wrong.. she and all the other field event people deserve no coverage on here... again this is lets run.. not lets jump, or lets throw. -
There is nothing impressive about running as hard as you can for 200m. However, there is something quite impressive about running 200m in 19.58 seconds, and I believe it's worth a mention on the front page. The same can be said for distance runners: I find nothing impressive about someone finishing a 10k. But doing it in 30 mins or less is impressive.
Many of the sprinters on my high school team were lazy. Hell, even some of the sprinters on my college team were kind of lazy. But you know, none of those guys went to the Olympics or got fat shoe contracts. There is a difference between being a 10.9 sprinter, and being a world class sprinter. For that matter, a lot of distance guys on my high school team were lazy, and the result was that they sucked. To be the best at something, even if it's just running 100m, requires hard work. -
Take a lap, Coach D, you've swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker.
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Hey, if not for trolls, this message board would be dead. This thread induced some lively discussion about a real issue. I've met people like J.R. Trolling or not, some good stuff. If I can say this without tooting my own horn, some of the best stuff on LR is troll initiated.
