Seko ate 51 egg
Seko ate 51 egg
Avocados Number wrote:]
It was reported that, during one of his trips to New Zealand, Seko ran 1,200 kilometers in eight days.
Here are Seko's OWN words.
Can you tell me a bit about your training back then?
TS: I ran seven days a week, and averaged a marathon a day in distance. There were no days off.
What was the furthest you ever covered in a day if 26-miles was normal?
TS: One morning I warmed up with 10-kilometers, then after I went for a long run, and I did 88km (55-miles). I can run forever once I start.
6 + 55 = 61 miles. The most Seko ever did in one day.
In the book 'Running with the Champions', it states the 1,200K in 8 days story. He said, and I quote, " My body was very confused after that, but I did it." And yes it was in New Zealand.
I think it is pretty safe to say he didn't do that. When he was in NZ quite a few people were keeping an eye on his training (he was one of the world's best known runners back then). Pretty hard to imagine him sneaking off to do 8 straight 12-15hr training days without it getting noticed.
I heard reports of some 6hr long runs. Hill reps carrying rocks dadada... but no reports of day after day of 150km runs. He did set his 25 and 30km track WRs in NZ.
The Soh twins ran a 1200km month, that was impressive enough for me. The following year Takeshi Soh finished 4th at the LA OGs,just ahead of Deek. I think Seko finished back with Salazar in the mid teens.
I have Seko's autobiography here. I'll have to dig through for something about the NZ story. I'm sure somebody has posted this info before, but in the back are three sets of training menus from different parts of his career.
-For his debut marathon when he was a sophomore in univ. ('77) he peaked out at 666 km in a month and individual runs as long as 40 km.
-When he set the national 10000m record ('80) he was up to 770 km a month and 35 km long runs.
-When he set the national record in the marathon ('83) he did 1089 km a month with 70 km long runs.
Someone already posted the Kouros 6 day record of 636 miles (1,023.2 K) and yet you want to persist with this myth of a 1,200 K 8 days.
If 'Running with the Champions' implies that Seko really did this then it is incorrect.
Seko did a crap ton of walking as did many of the Japanese runners in his day (many Finnish runners also did a lot walking back in the 20s/30s).
http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/TrainingLogs/seko.htm
Alan
I don't know the book was written by a 2:20 guy who was inspired by moored best efforts and he trained with deek and Steve jones when they both lived in boulder. I don't have the book infront of me, so I can'tremember the authors name. Maybe that mileage was with walking included, I think it sounds somewhat feasable. Maybe the author made a mistake with the translation from japanese into English, who knows.
In the book 'Running with the Legends' by Michael Sandrock there's a chapter about Seko. Amog other things it talks about
- how he did run 1200km in 8 days (just under 90 miles a day) during a trip to New Zealand
- back in Japan, most of his long runs were run on an asphalt loop of 1325 metres, that had each 100m marked out so his coach could monitor his pace at all times. Some runs would consist of up to 70 laps of this loop!
- often trained so hard that he couldn't eat afterwards, instead drinking about 10 beers
absolute nutter
flyswatta wrote:
“ The marathon is my only girlfriend. I give her everything I have. ”
My girlfriend would get a restraining order if I gave her that much.
Joe Lively wrote:
In the book 'Running with the Legends' by Michael Sandrock there's a chapter about Seko. Amog other things it talks about
- how he did run 1200km in 8 days (just under 90 miles a day) during a trip to New Zealand
- back in Japan, most of his long runs were run on an asphalt loop of 1325 metres, that had each 100m marked out so his coach could monitor his pace at all times. Some runs would consist of up to 70 laps of this loop!
- often trained so hard that he couldn't eat afterwards, instead drinking about 10 beers
absolute nutter
Right...
First, 1200 km in 8 days is more than 90 miles a day, more than 93 actually. Second, didn't he do 100km/day when suffering from hepatitis brought on by drinking too much beer? You know, this was a guy who supposedly was beaten with a stick by his coach for hours everyday and who, I heard, modestly refused to confirm reports that he daily dined on meals of rhinoceros and killer whale - both killed with his bare hands.
Geez!
don't shoot the messenger. It's all in print. And Sandrock used the words 'nearly 90 miles' in reference to the 150km a day bit, which I was too lazy to check up on and just assumed would've been right.
I don't doubt that a lot of his story was embellished but I think it's fairly obvious that his volume of training was insane.
http://www.americanultra.org/stats/statframeset.htmKouros, 6-day, 639 miles
Hey, how come Dean K isn't on any of those lists?
ronner wrote:
http://www.americanultra.org/stats/statframeset.htmKouros, 6-day, 639 miles
Hey, how come Dean K isn't on any of those lists?
Duh, because he doesn't hold the records?
Without getting into the letsrun syndrome of bashing Karnazes, he did some good running in the deserts last year:
http://www.4deserts.com/rtp4dtp.php?SBID=pr17Karnazes is a good, not a great ultramarathoner.
link wrote:
You know, this was a guy who supposedly was beaten with a stick by his coach for hours everyday
This is true, actually. Nakamura was a strict disciplinarian.
Nakamura was the Japanese Cerutty
I heard an interview with Nakamura through an interpreter while in NZ many years ago. I am positive Seko never ran more than 200-210 miles in a week and that would have been way over his average.
This is one of the most rediculous threads of all the other rediculous threads.
Nakamura never hit Seko with a stick.
Letsrun.com--where misinformation gets spread.
Ray:
Your comment is probably closest to the truth. Thanks for a "ray" of fresh light.
Good to have some intelligence on this thread Nobby. Can you shed any light on the ACTUAL training of Seko.
During his time in NZ he did some very long runs although I didn't hear of him doing anything like the Soh twins epic.
He also apparently did several 20-30km time trial runs.
The impression I had from various discussions with knowledgeable people was a very Lydiard like program with some very long sessions- perhaps in the vein of Magee, Baillie and Julian.
Nobby wrote:
This is one of the most rediculous threads of all the other rediculous threads.
Nakamura never hit Seko with a stick.
Letsrun.com--where misinformation gets spread.
Ray:
Your comment is probably closest to the truth. Thanks for a "ray" of fresh light.
Thanks,
there was an article from an old NZ Runner in which Nakamura described his philosophy. It was very much along the lines of Cerutty. Reading from the Bible, Koran, etc. Poetry, history, and so on. Only through love and peace can one truly perform at their greatest. Good stuff. Unfortunately my memory is going and I don't have the magazine any longer. regardless, today's runner would be wise to probe the minds of the elders to learn more about the sport and more about themselves.
I've learned more from conversations and friendships from "old hacks" (Cerutty, Wilt, Hensley, Jellie, etc) than most will ever get from simply going out to run and deriding others on a message board.
According to this story, he started running marathons the day he came out of the womb. The legend grows...
http://www.srichinmoycentre.org/Members/animesh/running/articles/seko
"Toshihiko Seko will be 30 years old in July this year and he is ready to return to the marathon.
In the late 70s and early 80s he virtually dominated the event, winning three straight Fukuoka marathons (1978-1980) and Boston in 1981. Injuries kept him out of action during 1982 but by 1983 he was back in his best form ever to win the Tokyo and Fukuoka marathons, both in sub 2:09."
Assuming its a typo, it goes on to state that he ran 25K a day in training.
However, Running With the Legends
suggests 30 miles per day.